Clinton Vs. Trump

In hindsight she wasn't my ideal choice. I never considered myself a partisan voter. I mostly did it because I threw up my arms in the air and said who gives a shit and decided to vote for a green. I was enthusiastic about Ron Paul at the time as he was getting libertarianism popular and was the only republican bold enough to say Bush was a fuck up. This could have been the perfect opportunity for the libertarian party to pick a like minded candidate and gotten a more significant voter turnout, and they fucked it up with Barr.

 

As an outsider looking in with incredulity, we in Europe think someone has messed with the water in the US.

 

Trump is now accepting campaign contributions of any size, and openly cooperating with a superpac. So, to those who admired Trump mostly for being self-financing and not owing anybody any favors, what do you think of him now? How are you going to explain this away? He has spent hours explaining to America why you should never trust a politician who takes money from rich people.

 

Last night on MSNBC, it was amazing to me to hear so many Republican leaders refuse to endorse Trump, or openly reject him. Several said they were voting for Hillary. One Republican governor said it was important to vote for Hillary because she considered Trump so unstable and impulsive that he would be likely to get us into a nuclear war for no good reason. There's also a tense stalemate going on between Trump and Paul Ryan.

 

Nobody talks about it, but Obama was treated the same way by a LOT of democrats. Ultimately they fell in line, tenuously. But it wasted a lot of time while he had both houses. He never recovered from that initial burn. And I doubt Trump will either. I see nothing but brick walls waiting for Trump in Washington.

But Trump is managing to do what Huey Long could not. He may even win, which would be a historical precedent. It would be proof that Americans really can get into that exclusive Washington club and drive change. That may seem logical, but DC has been aligning to keep politics inside of a very narrow circle for decades. Look at the rules in various states that totally befuddled Trump. Colorado was a real slap in the face.

However, I am with you on the likelihood of war. Look how long we have been training for it.

 

Democrats in Washington widely saw Obama's bipartisan approach as foolish. Eventually he had to give it up because it was going nowhere. Remember the first year and a half, when he said he didn't want to move on anything without bipartisan support? That was nothing at all. Problem was, Obama had put his strategy in his second book, and Mitch McConnell had read it.

Some Americans are so pissed with Washington that they would rather have negative change than no change at all. Kind of like a married couple that has reached the point where they're ready to divide up their stuff by cutting furniture in half with a chain saw.

Hillary is likely to get us into another stupid conflict in the Middle East that nobody can win, but I'll take that over a nuclear confrontation. Trump with the missile launch codes? Hashtag: #toddlerwithahandgrenade

 

Trump is on an outsider. An outsider would be the common working man.

 

I don't think they are directly. In my personal opinion the poster is aligning Trump with those totally disaffected by politics (the outsiders). Basically we are seeing Washington reaping what is has sowed. This is not a unique to the US problem. Here in Germany many are disaffected, though not to the extent as in the US. Take the UK, it's all up in the air. Trump has often said in parts what many think but are afraid to say so out loud. In that sense one could argue he is a refreshing change in politics. The trouble is, he's a bloody hot headed narcissist who doesn't have a clue about diplomacy and running a nation state.

 

I honestly dont get this whole, "trump speaks his mind" thing.

Literally everything that comes out of his mouth sounds like nonsensical babble to me.

 

I know some people who talk like that when they're extremely drunk.

 

Maybe all of his supporters are alcoholics

 

I'm pretty sure there's a typo in there.... "on" is supposed to be "not"

 

Damn autocorrect. Meant to say Trump is not an outsider. An outsider is a common working man.
No, I am not equating trump to the common working man. What I am saying is that trump, even with his money, didn't get where he is without help. He hobnobs with powerful. The common man doesn't do that.

 

Saying Trump is going to start a nuclear war is silly. There's no reason for him to just willy-nilly start a nuclear war. He's not insane. As fun as it is to say "Trump is insane" because he says a lot of insensitive things, he's not insane. He's a businessman who got rich by calculating the odds. You think he doesn't have a clue what America can and can't get away with? Wishful thinking.

Maybe Hillary starting a conflict in a far off country is preferable to you, but I'm sure it's all the same to all of the innocent civilians who are going to be bloody murdered because of her.

Hillary's the one who is going to start a war with Russia with her no fly zone over Syria plan.

I really can't stand it when people try to suggest that Hillary is any better than Trump. Jesus, she herself has suggested building a wall between the US and Mexico. But oh wait, she called it a "barrier" so nevermind I must be imagining things.

When Trump says build a wall it's crazy. When she says build a wall...it never happened. And Trump, why, his ego is so gigantic that he'll just build a wall bigger than the Great Wall of China, a wall that completely surrounds the United States of America because he doesn't have a fucking clue. Get real, people.

 

You don't have a choice. You're going to hear that a lot, and often from Republican leaders.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hilary-clinton-bush-donors-222872

Yup, and she knows this and is trying to win the support of Republicans who are jumping ship because of Trump.

This is a weird election - Trump has historically aligned more with the Democrats and Hillary is basically Republican-lite.