Closing Gitmo

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Fawkes, Jan 22, 2009.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Here you go:

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D964QASG0&show_article=1&catnum=0

    No one has names of many of those accused of recidivism, even the DOD's figures and documentation is being called iffy. It appears all the news articles shortly after Obama's election about the recidivism rate was probably a last ditch effort by Cheney to stall the closing of Gitmo.

    But the Saudis have listed these 11 on their most wanted list.

    Or how about their rehabilitation program:

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1874278,00.html

    That's better than I am living at the moment.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1673270,00.html

     
  2. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Before i waste my time, do any of those links back up your claim?

    ?? i doubt it.


    Lists of released Guantanamo prisoners who allegedly returned to battle


    WiKi
     
  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    They are the only outlined specific cases of recidivism I can find. All the claims made in January have evaporated. Can you find cases of other nationals that have returned to a life of terror?

    This article outlines the false numbers:

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/724

    Many Saudis captured on the battlefield were never sent to Gitmo...why was that? They received a do not go to jail card, and went directly to this rehabilitation center?
     
  4. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Then how did you come up with
    ??



    Then you post this as your proof ,
    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D964QASG0&show_article=1&catnum=0

    Thats why most of us don't bother viewing your links, most are damning, the rest diversions.

    This is what happens when you make shit up..........
     
  5. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I followed the recidivism stories in January, and the largest number of any nationality I could find that returned to the role of terrorist was Saudi. Do you have other figures?

    I think I've outlined my case, I wonder why you wish to disprove it so strongly?

    You have a problem with Breitbart? I try to pick a mix of both right and left media. I don't play favorites.
     
  6. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Care to share?

    I posted a WiKi link.

    "That you hate Saudis"
    Right, now time to back it up. Which you have failed at,miserably.


    Because it's a lie, I treat all lies equally.


    Where did you get that impression? I was only stating they "Breitbart" didn't back up your claim,in fact they said just the opposite,C'mon you cant say this
    Then back it up with this,
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    You claim the Wiki as a definitive reference? It verifies my claim that the DOD figures are constantly revised. I don't know why we are arguing. Guess you don't like my emphasis on any Saudi connection.
     
  8. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    It sure beats your "evaporated" hearsay.

    No one is disputing DOD figures here.

    No, its the lies i don't like, try again.

    Still waiting for you to back this up...........
     
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Your Wiki article was full of discounting links and discrediting of the DOD figures go back and read it. The trouble with the Wiki is it's simply a compilation of links submitted by many.

    I list 11 Saudis accused of recidivism, some of those listed on the Wiki list are discounted in the links I provided.

    Sorry didn't know in this time of devout US patriotism, that merely mentioning that Saudis were responsible for the Twin Towers, and have now returned to terrorism would provoke such outrage.

    I'll bend perhaps if the actual figures are ever known they may turn out to be a minority in the recidivism rate. But I wonder why with their direct participation in 09/11, they are even released? Does that make you happy?
     
  10. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    For the record I don't hate Saudis. What I hate is that one or two nations in the middle east appear to be above the law and public outrage. I remember who piloted those planes, and it wasn't Afghanis, Iranians, Iraqis, Hamas, Hezbollah, Pakistanis, North Koreans or even Palestinians.

    Where's Bin Laden the Boogeyman! Who by the way is a Saudi. And probably wealthier than ever on the backs of those that buy gasoline in the US.
     
  11. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    aka= they're not saying what i want to hear.

    WOW,so we should believe You over WiKi, funny.

    I guess "facts and references" don't mean shit to you.

    What DOD figures? did i miss something?

    No they aren't.

    You're a fucking nutcase....

    Wheres the figures you had when you came up with your claim????

    You have none, you just made it up,per usual.
     
  12. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I never listed or saw any of the 11 Saudis on the Wiki list. You are changing quotes. What I was referring to were the list of people by nationality, and in my reading many of them have been cleared. Like the Russian his case has been totally discounted.

    What's your problem Crad I rescind my original statement. Only 11 Saudis released from Gitmo have returned to terrorist acts...does that satisfy you? Does that make it more palatable for you?
     
  13. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    But then you didn't bother to read my links, like I read yours.
     
  14. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Just so you don't bury my links:

    Or how about their rehabilitation program:

    http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...874278,00.html


    Quote:
    At the end of the program, the men are returned to their families and given a monthly stipend of $700 to help make ends meet. Some are given cars, and single men are encouraged to get married — the Saudi government pays $20,000 toward wedding expenses. "The important thing is that these men should not be idle and frustrated, because that could send them back to their old haunts, their old friends," said al-Turki.

    The recidivism of al-Shihri, al-Ousi and the nine rearrested men suggests that the program needs some tinkering — especially in the monitoring of those who are released into society
    That's better than I am living at the moment.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...673270,00.html


    Quote:
    Among those on the road to reformation: Abdullah Sherif, 28, who went to Iraq in 2003 with four friends hoping to become martyrs resisting the U.S. invasion. At the rehab center, after feasting on lamb, rice, stuffed peppers and Pepsi, he explains how his fellow jihadis died in a U.S. air strike in Kurdistan early in the war.
     
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    Doing the right thing is always the harder path, being evil is always easier.
     

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