"Concentration". Why the brain works the way it does. Totally fuckin awesome.

Discussion in 'Mind Games' started by hebrewnational00, Mar 20, 2010.

  1. Emanresu

    Emanresu Member

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    hebrewnational00, you might find this interesting: There was a case in which a man had to have his corpus callosum (literally 'large body') surgically severed. This effectively isolates the hemispheres of the brain and prevents them from communicating with one another. When this operation is carried out the eyes still send data to both hemispheres because the axons forming the optic nerve cross over anterior to the corpus callosum (I believe at the optic chiasm).

    In this particular case the patient was reading a book after the surgery, and he was holding the book in his left hand. The left hand is controlled by the right hemisphere (contra-lateral). The right hemisphere cannot read (in most people) and as a result the man was shocked to find that even though he enjoyed the book his left hand kept trying to drop it.

    This fits right in with your original post. The right brain is presented with data that it cannot make use of, and so it decides to stop attending to it. Crazy right? It also makes you wonder what 'you' really are when 'your' brain can do so many things without 'your' conscious knowledge or consent.
     
  2. Naxle Smith

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    The OP is in fact a summary of what I have been thinking over the past few days.
     
  3. hebrewnational00

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    Thats awesome man! Im glad people can relate to what I say.

    The human brain NEVER fails to surprise me. Once you think you have something figured out, your life experience eventually disproves it. Then you might come up with some 'new-and-improved theory' about life that you are sure you have figured out and eventually LIFE disproves that as well... but as we go on a live our lives our 'theories' about life become stronger and stronger and hopefully more people can relate to one another and pass on experiences.
     
  4. thedope

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    Sounds pretty predictable to me.
     
  5. hebrewnational00

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    I agree AND disagree. It is unpredictable in a sense that you don't know what your mind state is going to be in a year from now. You don't know how your brain is going to deal with certain situations in a year or two from now.

    I agree with you that on a daily basis when we reach out to the out-side world we can predict many things such as simple brain activities and peoples auto-pilot reactions to simple situations... LOL that NEVER surprises me.
     
  6. Sweetleaf63

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    Your a genius:D
     
  7. thedope

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    In a year from now your mind will be involved in processing sensation, some of which you will find pleasant and some not so.
    This is the punchline to the cosmic joke.
     
  8. hebrewnational00

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    Predictability relates to how general what ever it is you are considering predictable gets. So when you get in to very FINE details of anything, it is completely unpredictable, but when you 'zoom-out' of the FINE details and look at the more general picture thats when you might feel that something is predictable.

    Example:
    Someones out-pilot reactions to having a drink spilled on their white shirt.

    NOT predictable because you dont know how these people will react in fine detail. You do not know in what category of 'predictable' they will fall into.

    Therefore you know they are predictable b/c you have an idea of what their reaction is going to be like (based on 100 different reactions to the same situation that you have seen). You have seen many different 'auto-pilot' reactions to this situation, so once the person is surprised, annoyed OR angry you feel that they are predictable but what combination of those 'predictable' emotions is unpredictable. The way they CARRY out those emotions is COMPLETELY unpredictable and while two people might carry out the same emotions in the same situations making them seem 'predictable' the amount of each emotion might be, and usually is, completely different.
     
  9. thedope

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    For all the splash and color of phenomenal world, there is only yes or no.
     
  10. hebrewnational00

    hebrewnational00 Senior Member

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    nonsense. Its just like saying in life there is only HAPPY OR SAD, or in life there is only BLACK and WHITE.

    The RANGE IS yes-to-no AND in many cases there are many elements in between.
    The number of elements that fall in between yes and no depend on how complicated or how simple the individual defines his decision making RANGE.

    If in YOUR opinion decision making eventually boils down to just YES and NO, then you are a more decisive type of person.
    If one defines the range of YES-to-NO as YES, NO + all the elements in between, it means that a person is a bit more calculated.

    Then again, every element in the range if for example something is 51% YES and 49% NO then the big picture is YES. However, every conscious decision that is made towards gaining EACH percentage on either side, YES or NO, is a decision in ITSELF.
     
  11. thedope

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    Actually our biological switching mechanism is binary, yes or no, on or off. You confuse levels of intensity with different choices, but levels of intensity are associated with warm blooded-ness. We have a temperate zone, too hot, painful, too cold, painful. In each moment we are balanced between these two extremes. We like it or not. Yes or no.
     
  12. thedope

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    Storms are caused by uneven heating. Imbalances occur when we do yes when we really mean no, resentment, and no when we really mean yes, regret.
     
  13. hebrewnational00

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    This is a quote from my earlier post: "Then again, every element in the range if for example something is 51% YES and 49% NO then the big picture is YES. However, every conscious decision that is made towards gaining EACH percentage on either side, YES or NO, is a decision in ITSELF."

    You are basically agreeing with me....

    Which means you are incorrect. I am NOT confusing anything with anything... we are on the same page.

    This is why:
    Levels of intensity are ALSO linked to YES and NO if you think about it. Which makes my point even stronger that YES and NO has more to it then just ONE simple answer YES or one SIMPLE answer NO. To each YES or NO decision there are other linking YES and NO considerations leading to the FINAL YES or NO.

    For example: When your perceptual system tries to recognize the color DARK blue as a color that is more intense then LIGHT blue. So your perceptual system might 'ask'.... is dark blue more intense then light blue? YES or NO. .... YES (1shade more intense)... NOW is dark blue MORE intense then light blue? (YES... 2 shades more intense)... etc...

    P.S
    Can you please link sources from where you got this information about the biological switching mechanism being binary b/c it sounds like an interesting idea, but im not one to believe something blindly...

    thanks.
     
  14. thedope

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    How to make a Biological Switch
    Purchase the full-text article



    References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.

    JOSHUA L. CHERRYa, † and FREDERICK R. ADLERb, a

    a Department of Biology, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT, 84112, U.S.A.

    b Department of Mathematics, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT, 84112, U.S.A.
    Received 30 March 1999;
    accepted 20 December 1999. ;
    Available online 16 April 2002.

    Abstract

    Some biological regulatory systems must “remember” a state for long periods of time. A simple type of system that can accomplish this task is one in which two regulatory elements negatively regulate one another. For example, two repressor proteins might control one another's synthesis. Qualitative reasoning suggests that such a system will have two stable states, one in which the first element is “on” and the second “off”, and another in which these states are reversed. Quantitative analysis shows that the existence of two stable steady states depends on the details of the system. Among other things, the shapes of functions describing the effect of one regulatory element on the other must meet certain criteria in order for two steady states to exist. Many biologically reasonable functions do not meet these criteria. In particular, repression that is well described by a Michaelis–Menten-type equation cannot lead to a working switch. However, functions describing positive cooperativity of binding, non-additive effects of multiple operator sites, or depletion of free repressor can lead to working switches.

    Another way to say this is that there are no fractional or partial charges in nature.
     
  15. hebrewnational00

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    BTW... you CAN define resentment as when you say 'no' when you really mean 'yes' if you want. Moreover, you can define regret as 'yes' when you really mean 'no' if you want.

    Your definitions are loose, resentment and regret don't really have much to do with choosing YES instead of NO or vice versa... it has more to do with the reasoning behind the mistake and backtracking trying to figure out where this wrong yes or no decision stemmed from.
     
  16. thedope

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    Yes, resentment is an embodied sensation with an expressive voice that sounds like, "I do all this shit for you and what do I get in return". It is the voice of uneven heating, overriding natural modulation for the sake of non-biological entity called responsibility.
    Regret, you would like to go but feel you can't for any number of reasons, you are left with the sense of being less than fulfilled. To give for a cause is to put a limit on giving.
    This is why I say, let the choice be yes or no.
     

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