Conspiracy theory or reality?

Right, because the government would never use the technology for nefarious purposes...

 

Um, no.. I believe whatever my intuitions tell me. Whether other people choose to believe it is meaningless. The problem is, people like you never question what official sources tell them, as if those sources are disseminating truthful information without an agenda. The media told you extremist Muslims with boxcutters hijacked planes on 9/11, and therefore that is what you believe in light of the fact that is more than likely complete bullshit.

 

Uhh, just what makes you think I never question what official sources tell me?
Because I don't agree with you?
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Sorry, I'm intelligent enough to consider ALL sources of information and also consider how they gathered such information.

So just what are you providing as support for these ideas besides the fact that it isn't mainstream?

Frankly it is you who seems more than willing to drink the kool-aid, my friend, much, much more than I ever have, you just haven't realized it yet.


Honestly nothing more than shaped demolition charges were needed to bring down the towers, no space guns needed.

 

I believe those direct energy weapons were airplanes. Those old ass steel buildings were standing Titanic's just waiting for aluminum icebergs to smash into them..

 

There was 47 steel core columns in the center of each building. The buildings were designed to withstand plane strikes by 707s, which were the biggest commercial planes at the time and comparable in size to 757s.

 

While I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing with you, I'll digress into the topic of Roswell a precident and a personal favorite of mine.

Everybody knows the hype and I've no need to highlight it. Aliens, crash, etc..

It is an accepted and validated theory that what took place that night was actually a military event and not an intergalactic one. The theory being that Americans were testing Nazi technology after the war and when the crash became public they didn't want to discuss the technology nor where they got it from (Nazi's), due to issues of pride. Keep in mind this was the late fourties right after the war.

So rather than admit that the Nazi's had far superior technology, potentially enough to win, the American's, while testing this knowledge, felt it less sacrificial to "leak" a story about aliens.

Fact being they were testing Nazi technology. A crash happened, and they didn't want to admit the German's had better technology. Hence Roswell.

 

That's so reasonable and compelling but what explains human direct personal experience with non-human beings called "aliens" ? Travis Walton is my favorite example (hollywood made a movie about his experience called Fire in The Sky). There's been mention of a possible remake.

 

Understand this is just my theory, but I believe the technology we see in the form of UFOs could be from previous earth-based civilizations that have existed underground and survived previous cataclysms. I believe the world is much older than we believe, and there is a lot we don't know with regard to possible civilizations that go much further back than Babylon. There may have been, and likely were, past civilizations that were completely washed from history due to cataclysmic events on the surface of this planet. We know that today they have the technology to build underground cities, which do exist, so who's to say they didn't exist much further back, and that the elite of those times weren't able to seek shelter underground to come through to the next "age." I believe that is very likely, and once you get into some of the secret societies, such as those that were associated with the Nazis, like the Vrill and Thule Societies, they spoke in their writings of these underground civilizations with this advanced technology that supposedly the Nazis were in contact with. We know the Nazis were working with UFOs back in the 1930s and 40s.

What if UFO's were not of extraterrestrial origin, but interterrestrial origin?

 

There's many ways to explain perceived direct experience with extra terrestrials. Dreams, wishful thinking, mental illness, notoriety, etc.

That being said. I know the story of A Fire in the Sky very well. It's a very cool story. That being said, the only substantial evidence is the guy's story. I mean, I can tell a story right now and call it fact.

I'm very into aliens and the idea of intelligent life, so I don't mean to poo poo. That being said, the fire in the sky story has never been validated by anything other than psychological account of an evening in the woods.

 

There's too many people with real experiences, Travis just happens to be my personal favorite. I'm not a fan of employing the too convenient mental assault tactic .. accusing people of being crazy / mentally ill, or on drugs. There are countless people across the planet waiting for validation -- it's called "disclosure".

"mental illness" is such a wicked brainwash and mind control .. I honestly can't understand how or why people believe in it. Thing is, if it was only a "psychological" experience, that man has one heck of a powerful mind then, doesn't he.

 

A Fire in the Sky reallh was more of a publicity thing. Thsre's a reason it's a movie..

The fact's were fictionalized, the rest was written into a story.

 

He isn't an actor, and if you visit his website right now you can learn more about his account regarding the movie and it's possible remake.

My point is, the nazi technology theory is reasonable and compelling .. it just doesn't cover all of the vital elements of the ET phenomenon.

 

Ironically he's vocal about the abduction before a possible remake?

I support the theory of alien existence. That being said, there's yet to be sufficient evidence for thousands of years of extraterrestrials that isn't just publicity nor the ramblings of the mentally ill nor financial beneft.

 

A roofing salesman pitch in tornado alley. The floors in the building 1foot thick cement. This is a lot of weight to give way on another floor. Pancaking..

What were talking about is translational kinetic energy caused by the release of potential energy contained in any structure, one story tall or 100 stores tall. This energy is release when the building began to collapse.

KE=1/2 * m * v^2 where m=mass v=speed

Comparing the two is like putting a marble in a glass jar full of water swirling it around, and calling the result a tornado...

A direct energy weapon would obliterate it at much higher speeds, that no shutter lens could capture..

If such weapon existed, ITs technology would be 13yrs older and then some and much more advanced. Such a weapon today would be very powerful in the arms race. While ITs not completely unheard of. But at the magnitude needed to destroy a building, its only an imaginary science fiction idea. It would of taken a number of airborne lasers to complete the task together and the human beings would of been vaporized not just exposed to heat as they were to fire..

 

I guess you don't know what shaped demolition charges are.
They can cut through those columns like a torch and leave nice clean cut lines, exactly like what was found.
I don't believe the "official" story, but I highly doubt it's some kind of energy beam or such silliness.

Everybody knows they used photon torpedoes

 

So basically the same old Hollow Earth theory that has been around for at least about 200+ years?

 

Mental illness is brainwash and mind control? Or do you mean people label others as mentlly ill in order to "brainwash" (power of suggestion) others into thinking that person is not credible?

I don't at all mean to say that alien experiences can all be chalked up to mental illness. I guess what I mean to say is that many of these experiences seem to have more to do with a lapse in perception and/or reality than they do with alien beings.
There's a phenemenon people occasionally experience where they wake up in the middle of the night seemingly paralysed. A mechanism in the brain sometimes keeps us still when we sleep and very occasionally it forgets to turn this off when people wake up suddenly. Many people who've experienced this are convinced they were abducted by aliens, using the middle of the night paralysis as supporting evidence.

This isn't mental illness. Wishful thinking maybe? All that to say, there's usually a more earthy, psychological reason behind people's "encounters".

 

Mental illness is brainwash and mind control? Or do you mean people label others as mentlly ill in order to "brainwash" (power of suggestion) others into thinking that person is not credible?

I don't at all mean to say that alien experiences can all be chalked up to mental illness. I guess what I mean to say is that many of these experiences seem to have more to do with a lapse in perception and/or reality than they do with alien beings.
There's a phenemenon people occasionally experience where they wake up in the middle of the night seemingly paralysed. A mechanism in the brain sometimes keeps us still when we sleep and very occasionally it forgets to turn this off when people wake up suddenly. Many people who've experienced this are convinced they were abducted by aliens, using the middle of the night paralysis as supporting evidence.

This isn't mental illness. Wishful thinking maybe? All that to say, there's usually a more earthy, psychological reason behind people's "encounters".


If he did conjure it up either for entertainment or to explain away some other event, of course it displays a powerful mind. Every mind can be very powerful and convincing. The mind is after all responsible for all of reality. So it's not hard to understand how real some of these experiences must be to the people who perceived them.

 

and before UFO's it was attributed to succubi or demons sitting on your chest.

 

The Travis Walton abduction on Wednesday, November 5, 1975 is without a doubt one of the best documented cases of alien abduction, and there’s no evidence of deception on the part of Travis or any of the witnesses :2thumbsup:


I looked at the vague but reassuring forms of the doctors around me. Abruptly my vision cleared. The sudden horror of what I saw rocked me as I realized I was definitely not in a hospital. I was looking square into the face of a horrible creature . . . with huge, luminous brown eyes the size of quarters! I looked frantically around me. There were three of them! Hysteria overcame me instantly.” — Travis Walton

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