corona virus, what is the truth?

It's only a $300 dollar fine around here so plenty of money in reserve for pizza and beer

 

The truth is if we had been allowed to go about our business as usual the Covid 19 postive tested and the Covid 19 death toll would still have been exactly the same as it is right now.

 

This thread is dedicated to truth, not fucking lies

The death toll would be incredible without shelter in place, social distancing, and masks

 

Bullshit!

 

At the end of the day, all any government can do is attempt to prevent peaks that overwhelm the health services and cause unnecessary deaths.
However this can backfire badly when the measures slow down heard immunity. It is a difficult balancing act.
At the moment, the UK putting great emphasis on opening as yet unused additional hospitals while people were dying in care homes looks to have been a mistake, but only time will tell. But with so many 'what if's' we may never know the true answer.

 

ISame way you know the opposite.

 

At a first glance, what Dax said is true, but if the virus had spread faster than the health services could cope, many additional people would have died.

I think that at the current time, emphasis should be placed on people who have had the virus and fully recovered, since they are both safe and carrying antibodies.
They should be given a certificate allowing them to lead the easing of the quarantine.
While the necessary tests to accurately find these people are not easy, it would be well worthwhile.

 

Take a look at my reply above (#30) and you will see why I only partly agree with you.,

 

Somewhere around a week or a week and a half after "lockdown" has ended... Watch for the spike in the number of cases.

 

Unfortunately the total number of confirmed cases of the virus in all countries is no where near reality. Likewise the number of people who have recovered is equally meaningless.
Perhaps a more meaningful figure for the UK is that 1 in 112 people die every year and corona virus has to date killed 1 in 2000 of our population this year.
By my calculations, by the end of the year, corona virus could increase our death rate by 10%, but I doubt that this will prove to be true, since we have no idea how the figure will compute into the expected death rate.
In my opinion, corona will increase our overall death rate by between 2 and 3% in 2020, possibly followed by a dip that will almost cancel it over the following few years.

In harsh reality, did you personally know 35 people who died last year. If so, 36 people may die in 2020.

 

Who is benefiting from this covid19 crisis?
Who sells the remedies , who runs internets, who produces vaccines.
There are some discussions running about Bill Gates, pharmaceutical industries, etc..
At the beginning I was scared like a lot of us, now I begin to think that this covid 19 business is smelling very fishy, who pulls the triggers and why, this would be interesting to know..
Anyway, if it is there, we probably got it already and don t even know, cause a lot of people are asymptomatic, plus it isvery risky to end up at hospital for that, cause they don t seem to be so effective with it..The only thing I can do is to eat and drink in a way that boosts my personal immunity, cause after all, this is a flu..Detoxify the body, eat the right vitamins and anti-oxydants.
They are planning for us a ' new normal' that is looking a little scary, how can we escape to this " new normal" is now my concern, for example what I am supposed to do or provide as certificate to take a plane again..

 

I agree with you. people will drop their guard. I'm old so have been to the store 2 times in last 2 months. Wife goes maybe once a week. She went yesterday, and said she was only one in the store with a mask. One time I went to large chain lumber store, I expected it to look like a ghost town, but it was business like usual. People did wear masks. Had planned to stop at Wally World, but their parking lot was full, so passed right on by.

 

The human being is not made to be always on his guard, that is the problem.
Best way is to avoid the crowds, me too I shop once every ten days..
Let us see if the spike in the number of cases is happening, we can obserb from a distance and draw the conclusions, but remenber you can have the virus and it does not affect you, so you can be an asymptomatic carrier..

 

people can't really drop their guard if it was never up in the first place.

 

Dude if you contradict what I say surely it must mean that you know better?

 

he didn't really contradict you, he just asked where you got your info. seems like a good way to learn to me. questioning things that don't seem right, even when we don't know the true answer, is where much of the world's knowledge comes from.

i do agree that in this case he seems to have already decided otherwise. and because of the wording you used in your original statement, i assume he's probably right. it doesn't necessarily look like the lockdowns made the kind of difference that they were supposed to, but i can't imagine that they made exactly zero difference. somewhere out there somebody was not exposed, who otherwise would have caught the disease.