Corporation for Public Broadcasting shut down

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  1. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    My book gives the AI the math, recognized by billions of people around the world, as funny. Some 350 million of us write it, and its older than monuments. The AI doesn't have to think, in order to pay attention to what's missing from this picture.

    Its related to differential calculus, and nonlinear physics. Quantum mechanics and fuzzy logic indicate half of reality is humanly incomprehensible, and we require the machines to put the pieces together for us.
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Why not?
    The Republican party has only existed since 1854.
    When the nation was formed the founding fathers for the most part were highly educated for their time and "white collar"..and were liberals.
    Hamilton and John Jay went to King's College (Columbia), Jefferson went to William and Mary, Madison attended the College of New Jersey (Princeton), Adams and Hancock went to Harvard and 35 out of the 55 delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention were lawyers.
    Black Lives Matter Activists Commandeer Sanders Speech In Seattle
    Sanders gives rally after demonstrators disrupt earlier speech
    Anyway, does PBS make a lie of omission when they fail to report that Trump is a convicted felon and sexual predator at everyone of his events?
    I can't find anything to support this claim. Please list the source.
    Same here, I can't find anything to support this claim. Please list the source.
    Please define "wokeness" for me and give me PBS examples that I can find on the net so that I can see what you are talking about.
    Please define "liberal" for me.
    PBS Bias and Reliability
     
  3. Native Vee

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    Thats Sad.......... Donny thinks he is doing good but he is really hurting us!!!
     
  4. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    Irrelevant, it's not the point. Conservatives existed before the creation of the Republican party.
    The point is this:
    Highly educated, yes, but liberals? You mean...slave-owning liberals? Or at least liberals who were ok with slavery being legal in the US? Liberals who believed that women shouldn't have the right to vote? Liberals who didn't believe that LGBTQ people should have any rights at all? Liberals who believed that only land owning white men should have the right to vote? Those kind of liberals?

    If NPR and the PBS newshour website published news about BLM storming the stage at a Sanders event, kudos on them. However, the PBS newshour website is not a transcript of what the PBS newshour actually broadcasted.

    If you search the archives, you'll find that the search term Sanders doesn't come up on the newshour weekend broadcast for August 8, 2015, the day BLM stormed the stage. No hits for Sanders on the 9th either. When Sanders and the campaign are mentioned on the 10th, this is what was said:
    PBS NewsHour; August 10, 2015 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT

    So in the full broadcast about the campaign, they mention Trump's rude comments about Megyn Kelly, Sanders receiving the endorsement of the nurses union, drawing huge crowds, and how people just love his message. Nothing about BLM storming the stage. If NPR and and the newshour website thought the story was newsworthy, that seems to me to be all the more evidence that the newshour broadcast was scrubbed of the incident.
    I've listed the source, the PBS newshour. Since you can't find the transcript, I'll post a link for you:
    PBS NewsHour; February 26, 2015 6:00pm-7:01pm PST
    (from the episode on February 26, 2015)
    For reference, here's a link to a copy of "Mutiny on the Amistad" by Hale Woodruff, shown during the segment:
    Mutiny on the Amistad (1938 – 1939) by Hale Woodruff – Artchive

    The painting shows black men poised to hack white men to death with machete's. One is pinned to the ground, another is making a fending gesture before the attack.

    I'm not debating that Hale Woodruff was an artist. I'm also not debating what is or is not factually true about the historical event it is supposed to represent (which is in large part irrelevant because Hale Woodruff himself is simply creating an "artistic vision" of it rather than depicting actual events.

    What I'm saying is that this news segment is putting a spotlight on a painting depicting the slaughter of white men by black men, and speaking of it in glowing terms. The newshour could have done a segment on art depicting the slaughter of black men by white men, and if it didn't speak glowingly about the historical event, it could have praised the color, artistic elements, etc., but that's not something that the PBS newshour would have ever done.

    While the newshour seemed to present most international events evenhandedly, it relentlessly pushed a socially liberal message in every episode.
    I'm not obligated to jump through a hoop just because you're holding one out.
    I don't have to take the say-so of some assholes on the internet who say something is biased or not. If you trust a source it might be meaningful to you, but I don't have to tow the line of some pricks I've never heard of before. The case that a news source is biased or not has to be made with evidence, not with an appeal to an authority.
     
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  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Lots to unpack here.......
    Circular reasoning maybe?
    I agree college educated white collar workers are, by definition, college educated and therefore their views are influenced by being educated and informed.
    I am merely pointing out that highly educated people were not always conservative in the past.
    Yes, those kind.
    The founding fathers were classical liberals. That is they rebelled against royal authority, tradition, and absolute rule by the state.
    Slavery has had a long history with mankind going back to early civilization. The same with a lack of women's and LGBTQ rights and the rights of land owners.
    Just becasue the Fathers didn't correct every negative social issue on day one doesn't mean they weren't liberal and mostly highly educated for their time.
    The U.S. Constitution is based on the Enlightenment and philosophers such a John Locke, the "father of liberalism."
    Again, I am merely pointing out that highly educated people were not always conservative in the past.
     
  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Thanks for that.
    In that segment about Trump's comment about Megan Kelly "HAVING "BLOOD COMING OUT OF HER EYES, BLOOD COMING OUT OF HER WHEREVER." they stated that Trump clarified his statement by saying,
    "THE NEXT DAY HE SAID HE MEANT BLOOD COMING OUT OF HER "NOSE."
    And then they devote some time to his web site and his stance on certain issues.

    You seem to have an issue with their priorities in this hour segment.
    They covered protests and a state of emergency in St. Louis and Ferguson, the Philippines, Ebola, bombings in Iraq, Turkey, and Afghanistan, an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Istanbul, migrants in Greece, a disaster in Colorado, the Dow Jones, Hillary Clinton, Trump, Lindsey Graham, children and religion, a call for funding, ...and Bernie Sanders.
    A lot to go over in an hour.
    But if you wanted them to mention a few minutes of Sanders' rally as being more important than all the above..okay.
     
  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Again thanks for the source.
    So the paintings in question depict the uprising of slaves against those who kidnapped and enslaved them, their trial for murder, and their exoneration.
    Why are you focusing on the color of the people in the paintings? It depicts a rebellion of slaves against slave holders. Who cares about their color or race?
    It was broadcast during Black History month, and depicts brave individuals fighting for their human rights...and you want PBS to talk about the paint and composition of the picture like it's a picture about dogs playing poker?

    This is why I asked for your definition of liberal.
    If you think "praising" a painting that depicts an uprising by slaves against slave holders is to "liberal" for you then I wonder if you think that anytime the media reports that a slave, of any color, fought or is fighting for freedom from slavery that that media is bias.
     
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  8. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    No. You seem to have been arguing that college educated white collar workers are inherently left-leaning, therefor that PBS had to lean left simply because leaning left is an inalienable part of responsible educational television. I think I've effectively countered that argument. We don't have to go back in time very far in time, maybe 25-40 years, when college educated white collar workers were much more conservative. And if you want to describe the founding fathers as "liberals", you'd also have to admit that by today's standards they would be considered ultra-conservatives.

    This means that college educated white collar workers are not inherently left-leaning and therefor it is unreasonable to claim that PBS has to lean left simply to cater to a white collar audience.

    The notion that they skipped over BLM storming the stage because they "didn't have time" is complete BS. They had time to mention Trump's rude comments about Megyn Kelly. They had time to talk about how Sanders had picked up the endorsement of the nurse's union. They had time to talk about the large crowds Sanders had gathered. They had time to about Sanders' platform in detail, and how much voters loved it, and how people were caucusing for him in Iowa. They had time to talk about HRC's campaign reaction to Sanders. They also had plenty of time to mention that BLM stormed the stage, but chose to scrub it from the news instead.

    If the newshour website and NPR wrote entire news stories about this event, shouldn't it be evident that this was a newsworthy event that the newshour broadcast failed to even mention?

    You did exactly what I anticipated you would do, and what I explicitly said my comment was not about. It was not about the historical event itself, but the fact that PBS decided to shine a spotlight on an artwork which is not itself a historical document.

    If a painting were made of British soldiers slaughtering Zulus with Gatling guns, or a paintings were made of the Trevon Martin or Ferguson shootings, presenting those killings in heroic terms, and PBS decided to make a glowing assessment of them, would you be equally pleased, and equally convinced that PBS was non-biased?
     
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    They are according to Pew Ressearch.
    I don't think I said that.
    What I am saying is that highly educated adults have greater critical thinking skills, are more open minded, are more accepting of diversity, etc., than those without college education.
    PBS at least attempts to educate, be inclusive, and "express a diversity of perspectives."
    College educated people are attracted to PBS becasue of those values, PBS is not leaning left to attract them.
    2025 - 25 is 2020, 2025 - 40 is 1985.
    How did you reach this conclusion?
    In 1984 Reagan won largely due to southern whites, as a whole, and northern blue-collar workers.
    I'm not the one describing the Founding Fathers as liberal.
    America’s Founding Fathers Were Liberals
    Liberalism takes on many forms, the Fathers were Classical Liberalists, they believed in social and individual rights, small government, and a free market.
    They were conservative in the belief of a small central government and a free market, but liberal in the most important area which was a liberation from conservative monarchical and religious backed government and lack of individual rights; as the fathers espoused in the Declaration and Constitution.
    Today's ultraconservatives are anti individual rights; John Birch, neo Nazis, George Wallace, the Alt Right, Proud Boys, etc. and they promote "Christian Nationalism"; the Ten Commandments in public buildings, teaching Biblical "history" in public schools, laws based on Christian teaching, etc.
    The fathers would not have accepted government based on a religion, nor were they anti individual rights for their time.

    Not Going Conservative, Study Finds : Today’s College Frosh as Liberal as Those of ‘60s
    Again you are proclaiming as fact that PBS tailors its output toward college educated white collar workers and not that college educated white collar workers are attracted to the output of PBS, which merely tries to be non bias.
    Well, that's your opinion. I wouldn't call it scrubbing, i would call it prioritizing. You think this was the most important event in the world tht day, PBS had only limited time and focused on other news items.
    Glad I didn't disappoint you!
    PBS was talking about an art tour in Washington D.C.featuring the artist Hale Woodruff and the showcasing of his paintings in the Smithsonian Institute. They depict a historical event. Art can't depict an historical event?
    PBS can't report on historical events being depicted in artwork?
    Would you object to PBS shining a spotlight on Emanuel Leutze's Washington Crossing the Delaware as it's not an historical document?
    British soldiers slaughtering Zulus with Gatling guns is not the same as freemen taken as slaves revolting.
    The Anglo-Zulu War started when Sir Bartle Frere issued an ultimatum to the Zulu King Cetshwayo which effectively demanded the end of the independent Zulu Nation. When King Cetshwayo rejected it the British invaded a sovereign country.
    Trayvon Martin was shot as he was walking in a public area by a "volunteer Neighborhood Watch person" as the result of an altercation becasue he looked suspicious. If the "volunteer Neighborhood Watch person" would have minded his own business Martin would not have been shot. No slaves were involved.
    Micheal Brown was shot during an altercation with a police officer, no slaves were involved.

    Why do you equate these incidences with people trying to escape slavery?
     
  10. Pink Sky

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    I wonder what the statistics were for kids that were still watching that? I know my sister's granddaughters only watch these weird shows on YT. They occasionally would watch Disney or netflix but it's mostly YT, and they're on their tablets the whole time. I babysit them on occasion and have never known them to watch any of the shows on PB, but that's very anecdotal of course.
     
  11. newbie-one

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    No, they are not. You have ignored the word "inherently". I have at no point argued that contemporary college educated voters are not liberal or left leaning.
    Like hell it does. I know of no case, at least in the last 25 years, where PBS has ever included or promoted socially conservative points of view. It doesn't matter if their mission statement claims to promote a diversity of perspectives if it doesn't in fact do that.
    You've picked a terrible example if you want to argue that educated people weren't or can't be or conservative.

    61% of college educated voters voted for Reagan, vs 38% for Mondale

    75% of conservatives voted for Reagan, vs 24% for Mondale

    69% of liberals voted for Mondale, vs 30% for Reagan

    56% of those with a grade-school education or less voted for Mondale, vs 42% for Reagan

    Conservatives and college educated people voted for Reagan in 1984 by a double-digit margin. More college educated people voted for Reagan than support democrats now. By ideology and education, Mondale only had majority support among liberals and the least educated.

    "Southern whites" is not a synonym for "not college educated", btw.

    (See electionstudies.org "Overview of the 1984 National Election Studies", page 3, "Support of Social Groups - 1984 Reported Presidential Vote")
    In other words, minus the part about critical thinking skills, you're arguing that college educated people have an inherent tendency to be liberals. I've already proven this to be false.

    And even one did want to argue that educated people are inherently more liberal, there's no reason why educated elites can't pay for their own television rather getting government subsidies for them.

    As I've already stated, you can't just say "so-and-so says they were liberals", and expect anyone, including me, to buy it. You have to make the case yourself.
    No. You're confusing a liberal vs conservative
     
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  12. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Glad you're back.
    So i loaded the Pew article that I referenced into MS Word and did a search for the word "inherently". It doesn't appear in the article.
    What are you referring to?
    Here's a few:
    These conservatives are making a case for clean energy
    Is empathy a sin? Some conservative Christians argue it can be
    What’s behind a growing rift between conservative U.S. Catholics and the Vatican
    Economic Conservatives Hunt for Likeminded Candidate
    I don't think I ever said that educated people weren't or can't be or conservative.
    The study you referenced was very good, thanks for that. But remember it only addresses the voters, not the general public.
    Reagan won partly due to a poor Democratic selection and message.
    Although Reagan did get a landslide victory the Republicans lost two seats in the Senate and failed to gain a majority in the House.....
    You are correct, I picked a bad example. Reagan won the voting public, but that doesn't prove your contention that college educated people are less liberal than no college educated as only about half the nation even voted and only 61% of the 52% voted for him.
    You have proved that Reagan won and he got a majority of the college educated that voted.
    You claim PBS is biased and is promoting "Wokeness" I guess. Am I wrong?
    Have you forgotten Firing Line which was hosted for 30 years by the ultra conservative William F. Buckley Jr. and is now hosted by conservative political commentator Margaret Hoover? Or Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered hosted by conservative Tucker Carlson?
    How about Shields and Gigot, featuring the conservative Paul Gigot?
    Am I?
    I'll just list one example:
    Pete Hegseth Reposts Video of His Pastor Criticizing A Woman’s Right To Vote
     
  13. newbie-one

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    There's a huge chunk of my previous post that is missing for reasons mysterious. I'm not going to retype it.

    None of those are promoting a socially conservative point of view.

    Presumably Buckley presented some socially conservative views, but that was a long time ago. I've seen the Margaret Hoover hosted program, and I don't recall hearing any socially conservative views there, though I'm not a regular viewer.

    Apparently he had a show from 2004-2005 on PBS. I'd never heard of it, and I don't know what was presented on it. A short-lived show from a token conservative twenty years ago does not constitute a commitment to presenting a diversity of views.

    Also, the Tucker Carlson of today is a Kremlin sock puppet, not conservative.
     
  14. MeAgain

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    Just to be clear, I don't know what's missing, and I didn't delete anything you posted.
    Well the first one I listed references the Young Conservatives for Energy Reform, a conservative group, and Senator Mike Rounds, R-South Dakota.
    The second references Allie Stuckey, an American conservative with a podcast called Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey and is owned and distributed by Blaze Media, Blaze Media was founded by Glen Beck, and Dr. Joe Rigney who preaches that empathy (read wokeness) is a sin.
    The third talks about the conservatives who dislike the policies of Pope Francis.
    The fourth talks about conservative fiscal efforts to find a candidate who supports conservative polices such as non-defense-related discretionary spending, cuts to capital gains taxes and corporate tax rates, corporate tax loopholes, and limited government.

    So in these examples PBS is reporting on various conservative points of view, some social, some not.
    Now, if you feel that PBS should be promoting socially conservative point of view, not just reporting them, then it would seem to me that you want PBS to be bias in that you feel it should promote certain views, not just report them..

    Buckley founded the National Review, the magazine that made Conservatism respectable.
    He argued against multiculturalism and atheism, he wrote a book defending Senator Joseph McCarthy, supported Ronald Reagan, opposed federal civil rights legislation, etc.
    Not conservative enough for you?
    Here's one:

    So what is the time that's required for PBS to air a conservative show? Thirty three years wasn't enough for Buckley and seven years and counting isn't enough for Hoover's show and the conservative show In Principle. Who should they be airing and for how long?

    I agree Carlson is a Kremlin sock puppet, like a certain other republican I could name.
     
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