Could God have designed the Bible to only have one interpretation?

I cannot agree with you that God wants all to understand his words, in fact, I believe that the bible was writen in such a way as to be understood only by those who are prepared to persist in his word and are hungry for the truth which is not the writen word, but that which is hidden within the stories.

For instance, in 1st Chronicles 2: 13; The seven biological sons of Jesse are recorded in the order of their ages, and David is the youngest of those seven sons. And yet in 1st Samuel 17: 12; it is writen that Jesse had eight sons.

Now we could put that down to an error in translation somewhere in time, but then we read in 1st Samuel 16: 6 to 13, Where the Lord sent Samuel to the house of Jesse to choose one of his sons as the replacement for King Saul, who had been rejected by the Lord. Seven of Jesse's sons are presented to Samuel in order of their ages, and all seven were rejected by the spirit of the Lord within Samuel. Then he asked Jesse, "Do you have any more sons?" To which Jesse answered, "Yes there is the youngest boy, 'David' who is tending the flocks."

David the eight and youngest son of Jesse was then brought to Samuel, who was accepted by the indwelling spirit of Samuel the prophet, who then anointed David and left.

Can you find the eighth son of Jesse, who is older than David, and is not recorded in the genealogy of Jesse, and why is he hidden.

The word of God is like wheels within wheels interlocking cogs that mesh together perfectly, here a little, there a little. No my friend, God does not want all to understand his word. Why do you think he sent Jesus to speak to the people in parables, in order that their minds would be made dull, their eyes blind and their ears deaf to the truth as revealed in his holy word?

There are only a cerain required number, who are to inherit the immortal bodies of the "The Sons Of Man," and those positions will be filled by those who endure in the word of God to the very end.

 

Again, who are this certain number and what does it mean to you to endure in the word of god to the very end?

 

...And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And We have instructed those who were given the Scripture before you and yourselves to fear Allah . But if you disbelieve - then to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And ever is Allah Free of need and Praiseworthy.

 

What is the significance of your little bomb throwing icon? Is there some subliminal message hidden therein?

 

per·se·cu·tion [pùrssə kysh'n]
(plural per·se·cu·tions)
n
1. the persecuting of somebody: the subjecting of a race or group of people to cruel or unfair treatment, e.g. because of their ethnic origin or religious beliefs.

I have not subjected anyone to cruel or unfair treatment.

As for death, it is a reality and your denial of it does not in any way remove death from reality, it only prevents others from accepting Jesus' sacrifice and actually getting release from the bonds of sin and death.

Why I'm I set on sin? I am not, I'm set on the truth whatever it may be and sin is a fact of life. God has provided a way out of sin, a way that you are trying to convince others they don't need thus leading to their destruction and you think you are helping by becoming an enabler to others sins, telling others "Be kind to yourself; you will not have this [destiny] at all".

 

See below.

Not exactly a fair statement and it is a degree of persecution on your part of me because of my beliefs.

Again, my purpose is of the holy spirit, to help remove the barriers we have erected against the perception of love. Your belief that we inherit sin, is such a barrier. We do not "inherit' sin. Sin is taught and you are one of it's greatest proponents. I have never said that people don't need forgiveness.

The way out of sin, missing the sign, is forgiveness. Missing the sign of god is caused by judgment against. Forgiveness restores sight. If the eye be sound the whole body will be full of light, but if the light in you be darkness, then how great the darkness.

 

I don't insist on any thing in this matter. You keep jumping around so much in what you say, it's hard to keep up with what is making you sick now.

I am not you and have no trouble answering questions directly. Now if you can just come up with some direct questions that would be good.

Where's the proof? You make a lot of accusations and statements of "fact" but where's the proof? Are we just to take your word for it?

Actually yes you should. You are the one saying that these bloodthirsty acts are not sin but acts of perfection and you don't find that disgusting.

You are so caught up in trying to justify your faithlessness that you can't see the forest for the trees.

No, there is nothing fundamentally 'spiritual' about dying but in the case of Jesus his death served a spiritual purpose. His death provided the ransom for us to be freed from sin and death.

Call it what you will, I never said that his life before death wasn't exceptional but that does not change the fact that his death was of exceptional importance or that since Jesus has been resurrected, his life is still exceptional.

If that gives you some kind of thrill, then whatever floats your boat but since that is not my name, I may not always respond to it.

Yea, we also used words like "a, an, the, then, that, of, it, etc" but I wouldn't say we were talking about them.

No, it doesn't. What means you aren't making sense is the fact that you are not making sense.

Once again, extension only extents perfection but it remains perfection, it does not change it.

Again, you are so desperate to prove yourself right...
What is perfect can be changed into what is imperfect. It seems you have forgotten about that sense in which perfection can be changed.

The truth is the truth, I just don't accept the lies as truth. So yes, I guess you could say, I limit the truth to being true and limit logic to being logical.

As was pointed out to you, when you make up definitions to merely try and support your faulty reasoning, that is just being dishonest.

Yep.

Well if you can't be honest in your discussions, what is the point?

I don't really have to, you do a pretty good job of providing examples without my help. Do you really want me to point it out every time you do so?

Since you don't really value either, isn't it a bit disingenuous to ask this? But in any case, as I have already pointed out I value both his life and his death.

And thus your showing "unfounded arrogance".

And in what way is it "cruel or unfair treatment"?

Because that is the actual definition of the word.

There you go, once again you prove what I said and you probably don't even realize it.

 

Really? So are you saying that you want people to accept Jesus' sacrifice and actually getting release from the bonds of sin and death?

That is what God's word the Bible says regarding sin, why should I believe otherwise?

Also, have I ever said that you said people don't need forgiveness?

That is is not what God's word the Bible says, so why should I believe you?

 

As for death, it is a reality and your denial of it does not in any way remove death from reality, it only prevents others from accepting Jesus' sacrifice and actually getting release from the bonds of sin and death.


In this I am also in agreement with you. You are held responsible only for the sins and mistakes of your Body, just as the supreme personality of Godhead to the body of the Most High in the creation, which is the body of mankind, in which body the Spiritual SON of God=The Son of Man, develops, and like you and I, He also is held responsible for the sins and mistakes of the body in which he developed. We are "EVE," the Great expanding pregnant Androgynous body of male and female cells, in whose body develops the heir to the most High throne in the creation, and the body of the woman is justified in the perfected child that she bears.

And if "YOU," the evolving mind/spirit within that sinful body, should happen to fall asleep in righteousness, then the righteous spiritual child, born with the death of that body will justify it's continued existence and it (YOUR BODY) will be resurrected to life.

If it were not for the intervention of the spirit that is born, with the death of the body of mankind, at the close of this coming seventh day, the spirits that had fallen asleep in unrighteousness would not be resurrected, but would be locked in one position in time, where they would eventually dissipate into the nothingness from which those disembodied minds had evolved, or perhaps remain forever, alone in nomans land, thirsting for the waters of Life which is "Information," the waters of Life that is denied to a disembodied spirit with no senses through which to gather new information, never to evolve beyond the point from where their three dimensional body had been returned to the universal elements from which it had been created from the genetic information that has been gathered over the aeons.

 

The death of Jesus and your take on it.

In your very own bible. Where else? Bring to me anything that disproves my statements, and I'll listen.

A lie. Bring my own words to me this time if you want to push it.

I found the facepalm smiley! : D

How?

No problem OWB

, and by extension,

To you, OWB.

What? a thing cannot change without remaining what it is?! Is the universe in motion or am I kidding myself?! You must be out of your mind.

I haven't forgotten OWB, though I bet you'd like me to! : D - "Extension".
Perfection is only changed by extension of itself. Where is your example of perfection becoming imperfect?

Truth is unlimited in being true, OWB. But you can limit logic to itself, yes.
Which is why I ask, directly, where is the logic to show where I've lied?

If only you could define yourself how you think my reasoning is faulty rather than just saying it is OWB! We could have a conversation! lol

I have been though. The one point of contention however is where I said I avoided 'nothing' of discussion. : D But then your replies are so often dead ends! Don't get me wrong Fre..er..OWB, if they were just ends it would be fine!

One example is all I ask. You cannot take me at my words, let alone their meaning.

That's obvious, and it's not what I asked OWB. I asked if you value one over the other. It's very dull to me to have to ask, but I don't suppose you could offer up anything I've written to back up your accusation that I don't value the life of Jesus?

How?! It's all I ask OWB! Though I know you'll say something like "You do well enough already at showing how yourself :roll eyes:" - Surprise me?

I think you mean this as response to thedope, but to answer, it is unfair to think everyone a sinner if you don't know everyone, which you don't.

No.

Out of curiosity, can you actually do the boogaloo? Or the buck and wing?!
: D

 

hate to interupt y'all's interesting discussion...but in re to the OP...wouldn't us having free will enter into this at all? I'm serious, too. It could be like a paradox or something...because free-will is a main freedom us humans (in all our stupidity) are given, right? And for all to interpret something the exact same way could interfere with the free-will of interpretation, couldn't it?

 

Of course, we are all of the one body, your interpretation of a certain Biblical point, because you are seeing it from a complete different veiw point that I, may open the door for me to a greater revelation that was just waiting for that extra peice of infomation.

It is for this very reason I come to these forums, of course one has to ignore those who would attempt to lead you off into senseless debates of nothingness.

 

Why don't you be a man of your word on this issue? You say first that you cannot understand what is being said and then you say it is meaningless. You promised that dejavu and I no longer existed for you yet you continue to make reference. I have asked you many pertinent questions for which you have offered no response. Perhaps if you responded, your own answers will provide that 'extra piece' of information. Certainly there has been no inspiration in what you have said to me thus far. That is to run away or discount something that you do not comprehend makes you appear ingenuous to your claim above.

If your reason for coming to these forums is genuinely to hopefully acquire new information, then I have been unfair in my regard for you. If it is to strengthen your rhetoric in the absence of legitimate questions of it, then you are wasting every bodies time. You become just another pontificating asshole. Not to be offensive, but straight forward.

 

No, you said, it only prevents others from accepting.
Who have I prevented from accepting anything, I certainly have not caused any change in you.

No, it isn't, show me otherwise.

Forgiveness is the price you pay for redemption from sin. That which you do not forgive, your father will not forgive you. We are talking about judgement here.

It is, show me how it is not.

 

Thank you for actually discussing the subject at hand.

Yes, free will does enter into it. Free will allows us to choose to believe the "correct" interpretation, in other words God's interpretation or we can choose to believe something else. But the fact that we have the ability to make bad decisions does not thus make them good decisions or in this case our choosing to believe an incorrect interpretation does not make it a correct interpretation. Our free will would be only be interfered with if God took away our ability and thus we would not have the ability to make any choice in the matter. And although I know that some believe even having a correct decision interfers with free will, I do not believe so because we still have the ability to make that decision.

 

I would thank you for actually following up on the discussion at hand.
From my previous post including your responses;
'Who have I prevented from accepting anything, I certainly have not caused any change in you.

No, it isn't, show me otherwise.

Forgiveness is the price you pay for redemption from sin. That which you do not forgive, your father will not forgive you. We are talking about judgement here.

It is, show me how it is not.

It is never our will to die, never our choice to die regardless if you feel you have have been given all of the available choices in the matter.

There is an important issue that seems to entirely escape some and that is the fact that we do not know what we are doing. In your terms, it means we are in a state of sin, missing the sign. If we knew what the choices were in life, we wouldn't be in a state of sin. In our state of sin we believe we see what is true but we are mistaken in our judgement. That is why forgiveness restores sight. We were mistaken in our judgements of the world and of each other, and we are still mistaken in our judgements of the world and of each other.

Judge not lest you be judged. We cannot make the judgements required to redeem ourselves. We can embrace the practice of forgiveness and in so doing begin to witness the blessings of god's grace which is our redemption.

The way christian teaching is being presented by some has the predictable effect of presenting one with a constant contest between, "good and bad" impulses. It is an impossible dilemma because, we do not know the difference. It is for this reason that Paul suggests only faith.

 

Since none of this "discussion at hand", as you call it, has anything to do with the actually OP, it takes second place to any posts that actually discuss the OP.

Next since most of your post actually requires some research, so my answer accurately reflects God's word, it takes more time than the things you just make up with the help of your spirit buddy.

As for the first of your post where you accuse me of "persecuting" you, it was easy to answer, because your accusation would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.

Who have you prevented? Anyone who believes what you say is true, will prevented from accepting Jesus' sacrifice and actually getting release from the bonds of sin and death or as I asked; are you now accepting Jesus' sacrifice and are saying that you want people to accept that sacrifice and actually get release from the bonds of sin and death?

Quite simply, it is not persecution to say that what a person believes is what they believe and that that belief can have an adverse affect on others, because doing so is neither cruel or unfair treatment.

 

As for this.

Faith? Faith in what? You try and convert the truth into some formula of "love", forgiveness and being nonjudgmental, making it a religion of works that will "save" you but the truth is you leave out Jehovah and his son Jesus from your formula, thus making what you say, little more than a sounding piece of brass or a clashing cymbal.

 

Faith that the teaching of christ is true. I do not leave god out of any equation.
How would that be possible?

You make it a religion of confusion, demanding divine payment, blood sacrifice, while disregarding the finer point of the desire for mercy. It is a contradiction of terms so glaringly disparate that you make the word mercy absolutely meaningless. You can give me pages of the need for "ransom sacrifice", but nothing on the qualities of mercy. If you think it merciful to sacrifice your son for the sake of sin, then how, how, how, great the darkness.

It is not my formula for redemption, but the teaching of christ and the holy spirit. You do not want to believe that forgiveness is the key to restoring the sight of the sign of god, ending sin, because to practice forgiveness, mercy, requires that you forgo your judgements of evil. Again, not because you are broken, but because of your premises themselves,
you must condemn in order to justify your unwillingness to forgive.

 

If the discussion is simply could god have designed the bible to have only one correct meaning, then the word could , precludes any definite answer as it is always a statement of probability.

I see. You are not led by the spirit, but have to look it up to present your case. Well this has been my concern all along, that things look right to you without comprehending what is inside.

You just spit out your personal characterizations as though they were fact and are satisfied that you some point. You simply don not know what you are doing, period!

Yes, name them. If not, you have no truth to speak, just your imagination.

I accept that jesus loves so much his brethren and his father that he gave in devotion his whole life. He did not sacrifice his life, nor did god demand his blood for your sins. That is a barbaric and primitive throwback to pagan ritual belief.

Very well, what you say has an unwholesome effect on the entire of humanity, and it is a vulgar plague that is in serious need of eradication. Now there, no cruel or unfair treatment, by your definition.