Creationists Believe the Darndest Things

Discussion in 'Mind Games' started by Rudenoodle, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    You seem quite skeptical of unobservable evidence, I just wanted to see if you held the same rigorous standards to all examples or if you just had a grudge against evolution.

    I'm thinking the latter...
     
  2. jumbuli55

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    This is a false equation.

    I never disputed existence of fossils (just as I don't dispute that you exist, or that dinosaurs along with Roman empire existed in past).

    What I dispute is the inference which is made based on such evidence.

    If I say I found evidence of Roman empire's existence in past and that in itself it proves that Cambodia is a product of mechanism such as random chance and natural selection, and that it is a proven theory merely because I excavated Pompeian ruins, well that wouldn't be the same type of assertion as confirming the fact that another evidence of Roman empire's existence was found.
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Yep, You wouldn't believe how many people have said something like; "the overwhelming amount of evidence" makes evolution a valid theory and thought that statement actually was all that was needed to prove that evolution was a valid theory. Or maybe you would. :D
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

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    I don't think either one of us is "skeptical of unobservable evidence", at least I'm not. What I am skeptical of is unobservable conjecture, which is what evolution is mostly based on.
     
  5. jumbuli55

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    Wait until he comes with another "But you must be kidding me if you don't recognize all the mountain of evidence in support of that theory! What more evidence or proof do you want from me??"

    :D
     
  6. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Hey, you said it not me. :D
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    Actually you just did. :D
     
  8. Monkey Boy

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    Do you believe in supernatural birth? If not, the only other option is evolution.

    Edit: another option would be that species had no beginning.
     
  9. Stabby

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    This guy makes a very convincing case for evolutionary theory. I found him to be very articulate and expressive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgyTVT3dqGY

    Not that I'll ever take the scientific route to disproving creationist bs. The metaphysical and epistemological methods are way easier :p
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

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    He tries hard but fails to understand that God did not randomly create the different animals that exist, unlike the theory of evolution that actually says that it did happen randomly. Of course there are similarities between different kinds of animals, one common creator made them all and according to his plans. To me it's funny that evolution takes those very plans and says; see how perfectly this all fits together, an obvious sign of random chance and of evolution. :D
     
  11. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    This sums up the thread Title perfectly, thanks for your imaginative post! :D
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    You're welcome, glad I could help out. :D

    Oh by the way, have you figured out yet how animate life comes from inanimate life yet? :D
     
  13. jumbuli55

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    That's a lie.

    Do you believe that UFOs fueled by horse-poop? If not, then the only other option is kerosene. :rolleyes:

    Well actually there IS an alternative viewpoint and that is: I don't know what UFO is in the first place, and consequently I have no idea if it requires fuel at all and if it did what kind it would be.
     
  14. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Not yet, why have you? :D
     
  15. Monkey Boy

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    Do you believe in natural birth?:rolleyes:
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

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    Yep, God did it. :D
     
  17. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    Good point. One of the biggest issues with the creation/evolution debate is, like most 'two-sided' debates, it presents a false dilemma.
     
  18. thedope

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    Sometimes it is the terms we use themselves and the way we put them together that causes confusion. Chance is a measure of probability. While the exact measure of probability is undetermined, it is not random. If a fish lay a thousand eggs maybe ten survive to maturity. While the survivability of each individual egg is undetermined, it is not a random event that some survive. Further it might be noted that the remaining nine hundred ninety eggs were not unsuccessful attempts, but integral parts of a successful strategy. The more remote the probability, the greater the rate of success.
     
  19. Rudenoodle

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    Since you have evidence I'm sure you won't mind if I decided to no take your word for it? :D

    By the way which god are you referring to out of curiosity, there are just SOOO many to chooce from! :rolleyes:
     
  20. jumbuli55

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    Let's put it this way:

    I don't believe tall tales of Munchausen, just as I don't believe claims of Darwinists.

    Don't roll your eyes just because I am not gullible enough to believe those outrageously absurd tall tales.
     

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