Cuba - A Big Win For Obama

Better or worse?

 

On the positive side, great opportunities for U.S. manufacturers considering the average income of about $23 a month, and only 93 miles away. Could totally eliminate their already extremely low unemployment rate.

 

Oh well, there's always Jamacia

 

I think Jamaica has a strong anti-marijuana policy as well

 

Was that the senate report about Guantanamo?

 

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Easy but i was thinking the same thing

 

And the US doesn't want to be uninvolved in that transition.

But their law enforcement is not so great.

 

I can't wait until we can legally buy this in the US:


It's super smooth for shots, with just a touch of natural sweetness from unfermented sugar cane! Yummy! I toasted the new US policy from my last bottle.

 

This is what scares me.

The reason for the cuban revolution's success was gross exploitation by the US - and not nearly so egregious as what individual just proposed. I don't know that I would even support normalizing relations, if it would mean that people like individual('s employers - remember, he's likely a paid shill) would get their way in being able to run right back in to exploit cuba.

It's pretty hard to argue against communism when the "good" guys are a fucking caricature of even what the communists think of capitalists. They openly want to exploit and devalue workers, and when you talk about ending a 50 year embargo caused by them, they leap in and start talking about how great the exploitation will be.

We desperately need a fair trade law in the US, that makes outsourcing very expensive, such that it will only be done in situations where there really is a better product or worker somewhere else. It should always be more expensive to buy things made outside the US, than domestic products.

 

You want cuba for it's resources?

 

It's easy to forget that a non-communist dictator came before Castro.

I can't predict what will happen to the rural areas, but I think a good model for what Havana may become is New Orleans. Both cities are similar in age, have accumulated eclectic cultural influences from Europe and all over the Caribbean and Central America, have a laid-back semi-hedonistic vibe, and have always battled intense poverty. After a couple hundred years of US ownership and tourism, New Orleans has lost a little of its uniqueness and poverty, but nowhere near all of either one, and has a modern downtown that coexists with the classy old Spanish architecture. I'm expecting to see the same thing happen in Havana.

We needed that before China sucked all the manufacturing jobs out of the US. Thanks to George H.W. Bush, the motherfucker.

 

No need his children do that

 

Let's not forget it was Clinton that signed NAFTA/GATT

Much to her credit, I see Hillary's saying she wants it reassessed and adjusted.

 

Big win for Obama as Karen J gets drunk. Heheh

 

Why is it a big win, because to become familiar lends security to the planet. That is the big win for Obama and we share in the loot unless you are off drinking smoking pot buying manufactured goods seeing the sights or other wise playing with yourself.

 

Don't loose sight of the prize

 

About underlined: yeah, but he was our dictator - they did not want him. He represented US money, and acted as a conduit for influence and exploitation.

The revolutionaries didn't (all - I don't know which/if any did) come from cuba, but they came from situations where they saw US policy and the injustices in latin america. The population got strongly behind them, and that's why they made it.

Not saying that everybody loves the way cuba is, I expect that's far from the truth - but I'd tend to expect they see it the way I see obama being a better choice than mccain - if it's gotta suck, at least choose your suck. Whatever anyone can say about the misery in cuba, go watch some vice documentaries about columbia, or somewhere like that..... holy shit, the cuban people have it good, by comparison.

 

We all have it better than the colonies
I mean if we should decide what they have.

 

A list of Cuban Presidents and their political party affiliation leading to Castro. Maybe not Communist, but Left wing none the less.

Fidel Castro - June 24, 1961 – April 19, 2011 - Communist Party of Cuba
Osvaldo Dorticós Torrado - July 18, 1959 – December 2, 1976 - Communist Party of Cuba
Manuel Urrutia Lleó - January 3, 1959 – July 18, 1959 - Independent (Liberal)
Carlos Manuel Piedra - January 2, 1959 – January 3, 1959 (1 day in office) - ?
Anselmo Alliegro y Milá - January 1, 1959 – January 2, 1959 (1 day in office) - Progressive Action Party
Fulgencio Batista - 10 March 1952 – 1 January 1959 - Democratic Socialist; United Action; Progressive Action
Carlos Prío Socarrás - October 10, 1948 – March 10, 1952 - Cuban Revolutionary Party (Center to Center Left)