Death begins at 40

Yes, you are an organic compound like everyone, and I have firm irrefutable proof that you will decay. :sunny:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/body-farm1.htm

 

I don't deny that. But we are also conscious beings, and a part of something much, much bigger that lies outside of our organic bodies. This isn't hard to see. Where does consciousness begin, where does it end?

And the end of the body is not proof that people do not exist beyond the body.

 

Consciousness is part of a complex chemical reaction. We are simply that: chemical reactions.

Part of that reaction makes us superstitious and believe ourselves somehow specialer than all the other chemical reactions, but that's simply an evolved survival tactic.

There is no logical explanation for consciousness being anything other than our brains, which are sophisticated biocomputers, as skip says. This can be watched in detail, in real time with modern medical equipment. This is pretty much proof of what's going on, to think that our consciousness just magically belongs to something else but happens to correspond to what's happening in our brains? Sure, fine, if you can provide a REASON to think this.

And a reason isn't the classic "but we had to come from somewhere", or "but it feels like there's something more to it" or "life must have a meaning". NO, that's what you evolved to think, because it made you survive in a jungle better. You need to think objectively.

 

So were prisoners of our bodies than? If I believed that I'd off myself now.

But I think if there was an eternal soul life would be sort of cheapened. Seems like a denialist way of wanting immortality.

 

That's an over simplistic and mechanistic way of looking at it.

You need to read up on autopoietic network theory, based on complexity and chaos theory.

Matter is from mind, not the other way about.

 

So the universe didn't exist before we invented it? Why universe is older than life? Doesn't make sense.

 

You expect things to make sense?

 

Unless someone made them up on the spot, yes...

 

Good luck with that then..

 

I hope I can be happy when I'm old. I'd like to think that although I wasn't 100% I could still have a good life.

 

Have you ever had an out of body experience? What is keeping you from living in that state permanently? An ego, id, and super ego. All figments of the mind as a means of justifying it's own control over reality.

 

What chemical reaction(s) is responsible for consciousness? What about evidence of consciousness beyond the body?

Well, out of body experiences is one reason. Also, the fact that all life is cyclical and recurring leads me to believe that there is a much greater source for life and consciousness than that which lies within our organic material. I'm not saying I'm right or you or anyone else is wrong. These are simply beliefs based on evidence and reason. Nothing in life is sure or absolute aside from organic death.

 

1. A neuron exciting the cerebrum is responsible for consciousness.

2. Some people saying thay've had out of body experiences doesn't constitute proof scientifically.

3. Also taxes and jerks are certain.

 

Tell that to Willie Nelson...

 

I of all people didn't imply paying those things.

 

Consciousness may well be a result of various chemical actions/reactions-but imagination,appreciation,fascination,curiosity,cupidity-to name but a few?

These are ethereal qualities that no material compound,regardless of it's complexity,can engender.

So I decided long ago that thought is an essence.
Ergo, when this knackered old body of mine packs in I'll just dissolve into stardust....but my essence will continue.
Trillions of sub-microscopic pico-particles of me,wending their diffuse way through the eternal void.....suck on THAT,Spock!

 

Burn.

 

Fuck yea!

 

death begins at birth. life begins whenever we stop trying to deny that diversity is the nature of reality. there are no magical ages, though there may be many 'mid-life crises'

 

Chemical reactions and the scientific paradigm upon which they are based cannot be considered to be also part of our imagination then?