defining conciousness

I have dreamt of things that have then happened, but I can easily attribute this to the fact that they were prominently on my mind as I was going to sleep....

 

Well as I said I don't believe we should just take it on trust that this actually happened in the way it was described. Taking things at face value is a very bad way of discovering what's going on - we need to look deeper and consider all the possibilities.

I've had dreams about people I don't know, I've had dreams in which people have died in odd situations ... I've had many hundreds of different dreams about many very strange things. If I had an odd dream and then heard about a situation which resembles in some way this dream my mind will make the link and before I know it the recollection of the details of my dream will have been affected by the new information I have learnt while awake. This is how memory often plays tricks on us.

The probability of having a random dream at some point in your life which then seems to reflect something which happens somewhere in the world is I would say incredibly high. The probability of having dreams about someone you know and then hearing from or about that person the next day is so high that it is bound to happen quite a few times in your life.

 

i believe we are all one... when peace phoenix has a hemeroid, i feel it as if i have one too

 

Peace Phoenix's haemorrhoids affect us all.

 

sal, you gotta start eating more fiber and cutting down on the fats in your diet... your making it hard for the rest of the cosmos to sit down

 

I realise it's a problem, I'm doing my best. But what would you prefer? I could shove some pile cream up my bum, but I don't think the entire universe would want to feel my finger perferating their sphincter.


How did we come to this....

 

coincidence and embellishment?ok.So you don't think that perhaps before language developed,parts or part of the human brain found it necessary to use some abilities that may have facilitated differant ways of communicating in order to maybe,oh say,to stay alive?If one accepts the basic premise that this could be the case,then couldn't these /this long lost necesesary abilitie/s lie dormant,having been mostly lost because of more direct ways of communication----but bleed through on occasion?---------------It's difficult or impossible to confirm this premise,but there too too many odd ,seemingly unexplainable occurances to just disbelieve that the brain is incapable of such.Remember,the first of us had NOTHING to do BUT try to survive,ie-no distractions.I don't need to go through the litany of distractions that humanity has brought upon us-------------I know you didn't mean to insult me,but when something as strong as I felt,and I mean a physically felt sensation happens and the results are as I mentioned,there's surely more than coincidence.What,I'm not exactly sure,but I put the above forth for your consideration.--------scratcho----

 

There is no consciousness. It is completely psychological.

 

First of all, sorry for offending your beliefs. If you have a knowledge based on strong feelings which is not open to rational enquiry then that has the character of a faith. It's certainly not my intention to piss in your kitchen.

If you're putting this forward as a hypothesis or truth claim then it should be open to robust analysis - and if it doesn't stand up to robust analysis then we have to accept that the strong feelings we have telling us something is the case may well be mistaken.

The onus would be on the one proposing this hypothesis to demonstrate firstly that 1/ non-corporeal communication is possible and 2/ it evolved before language as a survival function. Despite many studies into the former there has never been any evidence whatsoever to suggest that such communication is possible. The second assumption is highly unlikely since we seem to have all the psychological and physiological apparatus required to survive without the need for psychic connections to explain any aspect of primate survival in the wild.

I think if we were to do a statistical analysis on these kinds of anecdotal coincidences we would probably discover that there are about the right number that we would expect given the complexity and number of human individuals, and the complexity and number of their interactions. They're certainly rare enough to stand out in our minds while common enough to account for the sheer number of thoughts / dreams / ideas that 6 billion of us have all over the world every day.

 

Lithium---I'm not much of a believer in faith--just experience.But I see what you mean.However,believe me when I say that the odd experiences I've had don't mean much to me--I mean I'm not pushing for any particular point of view on these things--they haven't meant or determined anything I've done in life.I do believe tho,that there are many things to learn about interactions between our brains and what we perceive as reality.We,as I recall use only a fairly small portion of our brains .----gotta run--be back later.

 

ummm... the psychology is consciousness

 

Knowledge and faith are certainly 2 differant things.

 

Psychology is false belief. It is a belief we naturally like because it helps us get on with our lives. Psychological is very different from physical.

 

Psychology=study of the psyche.