Demons where do they come from?

The devils that you be chasing liveth only in thy mind.

 

See, it equates them to whoever that is, but they didn't do anything to follow in those footsteps. You basically just quoted a smear passage. HOW did they do that? they're angels, they have no need of money, or doing right OR wrong....

They followed in the steps of the morning star, who saw the flaws, or even malice, in gods work and plans. And god didn't like this. So he banished them, and wrote the little passage you just quoted.

 

Sorry, when I read your post my mind scrambled your words up and I thought you were talking about certain televangelists who con others out of their money, and I was saying that the Bible goes against that sort of behavior.

Thing with the angels though is that they wanted to decide for themselves whether or not things like rape were good or bad instead of trusting God's word for it

Also, this is probably brought on by the confusion I made but when I quoted that passage I wasn't thinking of OP question in mind - my bad - I was thinking of Orison's postings and then I brought up the passage on false prophets.

Please pardon my confusing ways

 

You ever seen demons? What about angels? Your answer should answer your question. The reason you say "Bless You" after sneezing is because the breath stops and Christians thought that was a time devils could enter. That's why the pastor thought that. Not because he had an original thought.

Many people who have 'seen' demons also had mental issues, or downright problems.

In the Dark Times many people admitted to having devils because it was safer than to not amidst the Church. So much of the info in Maleficus Mafeficarum is absolute and utter bullshit detailed by those who demanded witches and demons of others, and who wouldn't be satisfied with any less.

Those who promote the belief in demons and devils often are the same ones deserving of them.

You do not expect something you do not deserve. It just will never occur. Many priests never talk about devils ever. Look to them for advice, not the others.

 

i am not a Christian but have seen atleast four other dimensional beings in my lifetime so far... one of them was an alien,seemingly connected to my family, one an entity type thing a friend and i experienced together, i had a demon-looking little 'friend' when i was very small, and a reptilian apparently possessed me once, according to my sister (she saw it's eyes behind my eyes) after it had attacked me and i had run to her for comfort... whether you are a Christian or not, other dimensional beings do exist imo... just not sure what they are exactly, and i'm also unsure of their intention... i think they are a mixed bunch, rather like us humans, or hybrids or whatever the heck we are... strangely, the demon and the alien seemed the most benevolent... the entity thing was def malevolent...

i can't see how that can be the case because i had no idea that the demon friend i had as a child actually looked like what people call a demon... how can i have seen this if i had no conception of what this kind of "mythical" being looked like?

apologies... i only just realized that this thread is for Christians only.... :leaving:

 

I've never seen you, does that mean you don't exist?

I don't say bless you or gesundheit after someone sneezes.

The word "many" would seem to indicate that there are some without mental issues, or downright problems, that have seen demons.

This all may be true but does that mean that if someone lies about the nature of your existence, you don't exist?

I don't promote parking tickets but police seem to think that sometimes I deserve them.

I expect a lot of things I may not "deserve". I expect the sun to rise every morning but I may not "deserve" it.

Based on the assumption that demons don't exist, this might be good advice but what if they do exist? Then your advice would be bad at best.

 

Thanks for sharing.

I would guess that Chodpa would say, you must have mental issues, or downright problems. Myself, I do not so easily dismiss what others have experienced.

As for being, "for Christians only" in this forum, most Christians do not mind Non-Christians joining the discussion and your post is a good example. But it would be good to keep in mind that in this forum the existence of God is an excepted fact and that the Bible is considered an accepted reference. The big problem is when Non-Christians comments become snide and insulting, usually without substance.

 

thanks OWB Chodpa can think what he likes, but as i seriously doubt i had mental problems as a something-month-old baby (which is when my demonic-looking 'friend' first made contact) i think it likely he is wrong...

another interesting fact is that many shamans who travel to the underworld, describe identical, similar and many other kinds of beings too... (that is, with and without the aid of ingested or smoked entheogens)

they also appear in our dreams and in our mythologies... a very interesting subject...

 

OWB:

lol

Oh you needn't 'except' God on our behalf! : D

The drive to externalize, to drive out the things of the imagination that disturb us is human enough.

Chodpa is right, if you are seeking help to rid yourself of "demons", it is not anothers belief in them which will aid you.

 

Interesting.

Even though some may say that things like demons don't exist, the fact, as you point out, that they are a fairly consistent feature in our dreams and in our mythologies worldwide and not just locally, would seem to indicate that there is more to it than it being just some localized fairytale.

 

OWB:

lol

Seeming indications of realities are only that. And I say that without being a pusher of 'reality'. : D

 

I don't.

I was merely pointing out, for the benefit of non-Christians that wish to participate in a Christians only forum, that in Sanctuary the existence of God is an accepted fact.

Thus if you wish to want to prove the non-existence of God, perhaps you would be better served to move to another forum.

Perhaps but then the drive to ignore obvious realities is also human enough.

I don't believe I ever said anything about "seeking help to rid" myself "of "demons"", it seems you may believe in things that don't exist.

 

Well, it seems that you may be ignoring the fact that many things that seem to be true are in actuality, true.

 

LOL

No, I'm served just fine here thanks, even if God is not an 'accepted' fact! : D

Obvious to whom?

Oh, I didn't mean you OWB! It "seems" you only believe in others demons! That Hell is a real place ( for you ) doesn't mean I'll help you out of it if you don't want me to. LOL

 

Ah, If we were to be dealing only in actualities (and we are ), all seeming, all appearance is true! : D

That means one like I -(who believes what they please, one who doesn't 'care' for the punishment of anyone in what they cannot help, or even what they can, ultimately)- is obliged to kick it. Funnily enough I can do that without lying. LOL

 

Once again you display why some non-Christians are not supposed to be in this thread, you are so trapped by your own personal bias, you can't even understand simple things that are said to you.

Does it matter? Obviously, different things are obvious to different people.

Thanks for the explanation but you might want to be more careful with your pronouns.

I believe in demons. They do not belong to anyone but Satan but then you probably don't believe in him either.

Yes, hell is a real place, it is the common grave of mankind and it exists for everyone or don't you believe in death?

 

There are more things in heaven and earth, Dejavu, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Denial of the truth can also be a lie.

 

Ted Bundy was a demon. John Wayne Gacy was a demon. Bad brain wiring was responsible for their actions ,as all concepts,beliefs, actions, good ,bad or neutral come from the minds of humans. JMO. Irminsul said it more succinctly in post 21. It's all out there,so pick your beliefs if your brain is wired properly.

 

No, Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy were just humans and not demons. They did some pretty horrendous things but that does not make them demons.

There is no proof for your statement "bad brain wiring was responsible for their actions", their "brain wiring", for we know, could have been perfectly normal but they just decided to some pretty horrendous things.

As for "pick your beliefs if your brain is wired properly", whether you're "wired properly" or not there are some pretty horrendous beliefs out there that I wouldn't recommend to anyone.

 

perfect colors for a demon, dont you think?..

Appearance: Jeremiah Wright was manacled to his waist as he was brought into court for his hearing

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