> Here we differ somewhat in that every officer swears to uphold the Constitution first of all and then all 'lawful orders' keeping in mind the result/rulings at Nurenburg. He must balance on a very thin line berween the laws and desires of his community and those of the ruling junta/feds.
Ohhhh boy.... You want to really piss a cop off, wait for them to say that they can't help it, and they're just doing their job.... and that you shouldn't hame broken the law. Then nicely explain that following immoral orders does not shield one from being personally responsible for doing something immoral... and that furthermore, we HUNG nazi's who tried THAT lame-ass excuse. Seriously.... "I don't have a choice, they TOLD me to do the wrong thing! I'm a good guy, but they told me to"
The hardest words in any language to say with life in the balance are 'No I will not, do your worst'.
I will and do walk right past people smoking weed (I don't wear a uniform, and if my badge isn't hanging around my neck, I don't appear to be what I am). Why? Because I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, you can jam all the drugs you like up every exit wound you have. It's not my problem. If you're my problem, then you no longer have any problems, and not because of anything *I* did. Nor will I ever enforce that SB1070 bullshit. Being brown isn't a crime. It's really fucking simple. I clean up the mess after one of you kills another one of you, which you do a fucking LOT, and maybe even catch whichever one of you did it, and stuff that person into the court system. That's it. No jackboots, no giggling over a busted-up "suspect", none of that weird fantasy shit that seems to happen all the time in other cities.
i totally agree with your post, very well said m8, and good on you for standing up to those in this thread who are clearly hell bent on giving "Man in Yellow" a hard time just because he is a "cop" yes there are "bent cops" and cops who abuse their power, but for every bent cop, there are dozens more who are NOT bent.
I understand your position in that you have a real and respectable position as a homicide officer. Where I have a beef is situations like that in San Francisco where the citizens three rimes voted by over 2/3 majority to legalize pot and at least two mayors ordered a halt to pot busts even as two presidents have to no effect.
Pot busts are a waste of resources, IMO. I'd rather be surrounded by pot heads than by drunks, and that's no shit. The funniest/horrormirth part of this is that the law considers pot a "narcotic". It's about as "narcotic" as tea is.
No. I'm simply saying that "victimless crimes" are immoral to enforce, and cops who try to pass the buck on to the law are wimps. They have the discretion to decide what the best use of their time is, and they choose to go after people for seat belts and pot, they are bad people, plain and simple.
And I keep saying that I chase homicide suspects, and homicide is not exactly a "victimless" crime. Yet half the people here, you included, seem to think I have the time and inclination to waste on potheads.
^^^20 years ago in Tucson I was in the park on Speedway when two beat cops approached me and frisked me out of the blue...they found 1/2 joint on me. They walked me, handcuffed and barefoot, through the tunnel to the downtown precinct, all the while trying to goad me into an assault charge...I kept my cool and said not a word. As I was indigent, I was assigned a public defender Apparently, as per Arizonas draconian drug laws, (or perhaps a toady public defender) I was convicted of felony possession that has crippled my employment prospects to this day. Maybe you are one of the good ones Yellow, I just can't see past guilt by association. Sorry man. I'm a scorned man.
1. 20 years ago, I was applying for the force. So it wasn't me. 2. Okay. Based on that, I am operating under the assumption that you also assume all Gays have AIDS, too. I mean, it's the same damn logic, right? So if I'm such a bad guy, come to think of it, you COULD try just scrolling past my posts, rather than saying random nasty shit every time I say something. Thanks in advance.
Not saying it was you. No, just a glimpse into the psyce of why you might find some folk here predisposed to not trusting cops. Did you see I said you may be one of the good ones? Most of your posts you sound like you're a reasonable cat, and a real person... How do we know you're not just an agent trying to get on our good side? This is page 8 of the thread and it's my first post. I think I may have said some random nasty shit in another thread though so, I apologize.
I suppose you don't. But if I WAS, would I say that I'm a cop? Would I have posted excerpts from that white paper up in the occupy section? But believe what you want to believe. I was referring specifically to the Occupy thread I posted, in which you stated that I would "be gone soon". I have interacted with you 3 times on this board; in every case you have been deliberately nasty with no provocation.
What bristled me about that post was the deliberately provocative way you presented it as "interesting" without further comment. Most posters sympathetic to Occupy would have voiced their disgust either in an intro or post-commentary. I flagged it as more scare tactics or some other cognative dissonance BS coming from the opposition. Sorry if I mis-judged you.
And you have been deliberatly aggressive, generally seeming on edge and as though you feel superior to everyone else...... Which in one of the main problems most people have with cops. In the some post, you'll explain how you don't care about pot, and then you'll revert to the typical cop crap.... We get it, you deal with homocide.... you work on a force built up, armed, and funded to arrest people for drugs, and you seem to carry much of the opinion of those officers. You could have JUST said that you don't do that stuff, at all -- and (unless you used to) everything would be fine and clear -- but you seem to have tried to push on through and go on the offensive.
S'ok. I don't actually have much faith in Occupy, as they have proven too easily distracted and factioned to be of much use. In principle, I am sympathetic to them. In reality, I have come to view them as a failed attempt.
No, I merely refuse to take any shit, just as you should refuse to take any shit. I don't apologize for what I am. If that's acting "superior" to you, that's a problem that's in your head, not mine. I am unsure why my position on this subject is unclear; I have stated it time and time again. I did "just say that". Multiple times. You seem to take assertiveness as aggression, and a lack of apologism as an air of superiority. Again, that's in your head, not mine. And when I was a uniform, I typically ignored drug offenses unless there was no choice. There are actual crimes in the world, no need to make up more. Pot doesn't kill anyone; drunk drivers do. I honestly have no beef with pot heads, etc. I save my particular & personal hatred for pimps, who are scum. It is fact for this reason that I went into homicide instead of vice. My inclination when dealing with pimps is to make it personal, which is unprofessional (and dangerous), so I only deal with them if someone's been killed...So it still occasionally comes up.
Well i live way out in the bush and whenever the law comes out here it is just a money grab for anything they can write a ticket for .. The RCMP in canada are crooks it is all about the money ..
