Divided country

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Visexual, Nov 23, 2019.

  1. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    At least Goofy has enough sense to not try to tell the weatherman how to do his damned job. Solitary confinement is considered a punishment, but not if Donald Duck is the only company you have.
     
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    Biden in South Carolina has something to tell you ..
     
  3. I've often wondered about this historical claim. Not it's validity, it happens in most civil wars. But instead, I wonder about its voracity. It seems to me that where actual brothers were taking arms against each other would likely follow the Mason-Dixon line to a fairly tight degree. I just don't see a Boston brother having an Atlanta brother as being nearly as common. The "Brother killing brother" narrative is powerful, kinda hearkens back to other brothers in history.

    I can't imagine allowing politics to split a marriage, but then, I've seen college football drive a destructive wedge between more than a few couples. I think contempt is what really breaks the bank in a marriage. The only thing that I've seen for making a marriage work is devoting ourselves, each of us, entirely to the marriage, as if it was an entity unto itself. It's a merging of a couple of different ideas/beliefs between us that seems to have worked for us. And I have been contemptible a few times over the years.

    I don't think so actually. A civil war means the people themselves put their necks on the line in a very personal way. Lots of us can do that sort of trench warfare logic. A civil war means we're drafting everybody, even our families and children, into a live fire conflict. In our own back yards. I don't think even a rigged/stolen election can generate a civil war. America is still the land of looking out for number one. The last civil war was not put to a proper vote, few of them have been.

    For one thing ROTC programs have been driven off of so many colleges, largely after being starved of funds and having their firearms rescinded. Personally, I agree entirely. The military already has colleges of their own, some that predate academies in North America. I also object to military recruiting on any kind of campus. The US does not need a massive military, Obama proved that with a bold leap in the progress of robotic aerial warfare during his administration. Taking a Saturday drive in Libya became a substantial hazard for many warlords.

    If you look beyond Watergate, Nixon was into everything from oil to puppet governments. He had to resign to avoid prison. Ford was forced to pardon him.

    What do we have on Trump? I mean aside from the weekly "bombshell" we have been getting for the last couple of years. Why does nothing seem to stick? Is he channeling John Gotti?
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I don't exactly know what you mean by voracity. I also don't think there were a large number of families that had siblings dispersed over such a large distant as from Boston to Atlanta.

    Adam R. Johnson and Robert M. Martin fought against their brothers at Camp Calhoun, Kentucky.
    Capt. William Goldsborough captured his own brother at Front Royal.
    The Terrill brothers and the Crittenden brothers were generals on opposite sides.
    Percival Drayton fought against his brother at Port Royal.
    The five Barnhart brothers fought against each other.
    and the McBeath brothers fought on opposite side.

    Nixon was forced to resign when the House Judiciary Committee determined he would be investigated for "Exceeding the powers of the office in derogation of those of another branch of government;" "Behaving in a manner grossly incompatible with the proper functions and purpose of the office;" and "Employing the power of the office for an improper purpose or personal gain."[69], if he was impeached.

    No Republican member of the Judiciary Committee voted to proceed with the Judiciary Committee's inquiry.
    Sound familiar?
     
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  5. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    well that's fucked up.
     
  6. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Except people have been killed over this.

    The US military does not agree with you and Vis pointed out some are VERY clear the time for the 2nd amendment is when 2020 does not go well. The fear is that even a close election (what one is not) will be a "coupe" according to top people. People who say they are only where they are since if they leave it's really only Trump even if they wish to leave. Thorough duty they will stick with it.

    It's very upsetting to these people that they don't see the cultural change they expected. The honesty expected the Democratic party to die and since it's not it's coming for them. I mean for example take how they are still obsessing over Obama and Hillary. It's not enough they are out of power they MUST be planning something. Look at how it's not enough Trump won the electoral college he must have won the popular vote how dare you lie about it. They can't accept reality that he did not. A win is not enough it must be 100%.

    Part of a cult is getting really upset when the leader is challenged. And he is since the press can mock him and can gays still get cakes.

    I don't know I can't say I have much actual military experience but what I read and who I speak all back this up. A time of terrorism is coming. A time when American soldiers will fight each other as well as your average unequipped milta.

    Many are turning on Trump in higher ranks their grunts not as much. Some of them too just not the average small town "I have no chance in life and I know jack shit unless I serve" kind of person. And sadly that is a good portion of the service. People join for tuition and patriotism. These patriots don't like college and don't want the tuition. All that is left is wanting to kill a "towel head" in many cases. Those types are prone to cults since the cult gives a sense of pride in country and explains their own failures. It's not them who should have made better choices it's those people who took it from me.
     
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  7. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    You did the math?

    By my count you failed but worry not, there’s always summer school
     
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  8. Irminsul

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    Only 600,000 died in the civil war?
    Shiat. And how long did that war go for?
     
  9. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    It was the worst body count in a war since the Roman empire, and marked the beginning of modern warfare, but half the guys died from disease. The average person back then never traveled further than a two hundred miles from home and was illiterate. Their immune systems were different as were their diseases to some extent. Today, the biggest killer of indigenous tribes is the flu, because they have no resistance whatsoever. During the civil war, over half your children could be expected to die before reaching adulthood.
     
  10. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Ugh

    Standard HF crazy libtard logic

    One of you say something totally nuts

    I say Pffft, dude ya trippin

    Another one of you reply with something like you just did

    Texan detention centres are just like Treblinka, now Portland 2018 just like Gettysburg

    Elizabeth Warren will make a great Nurse Ratched to all of you
     
  11. Piney

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    Leave my Princess over a political disagreement?' I would soon find myself living in a homeless camp. No sir.
     
  12. Piney

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    This is truly frightening. a much greater threat than rising sea levels.
     
  13. lode

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    There were many deadlier wars, including the Taiping Rebellion in the previous decade which killed nearly 20 million people.

    Pretty interesting, the rebel leader Hong Xiuquan claimed he was the little brother of Jesus.
     
  14. Okiefreak

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    voracity
    excessive eagerness, greediness, great hunger: He gobbled down his food with voracity.
    Not to be confused with:
    veracity – truthfulness: He has a reputation for veracity and we can trust what he says.
    I think you wondered about the "veracity" of the claim.
     
  15. everything bagel

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    If I can add some insight to this, it's not that younger Americans are apathetic it's just that we're more concerned with the future than with the present. My friends and I are all paying attention to the debates and watching them like they're a sporting event while our parents are focused on the impeachment hearings and can't name a single democratic candidate beyond Biden, Warren and Sanders. To older Americans, the "dems" are Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Adam Schiff and Chuck Schumer. To us, the "dems" are Andrew Yang, Pete Buttigieg and Tulsi Gabbard (tho after that last debate, I think she showed what team she truly plays for). It's not that we're apathetic, it's just a different perspective. The impression I get is that older Americans are focused on something that could get us 5 years of Pence. PENCE! It's like, they're not looking beyond impeachment. Like, impeachment is some kind of victory...the end of the Trump era. Trump's leaving office one way or another. It might be in a year, 5 years, or later this week (don't count on it tho). And that's what my generation is more concerned with. When Trump is gone...then what? And the democrats offering a vision for the future after Donald Trump are the ones who have our attention
     
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  16. That's because for decades that is who the democrats have been; Nancy, Joe, Bill & Hillary and the gang of Geritol. Republicans have been the party of the walking dead.

    The demographics in the US are shifting older as people have fewer children overall. Abortion put this trend into overdrive by retiring people before they existed. "Old" people are watching their families shrink into obscurity instead of growing into empires. That is, not as many empires as there once were and there once was possible.

    A most excellent question. You're willing to look at this whole mess from an altitude and determine that the path forward is murky, by design. I realized this just before I turned 30 and I decided that I was not going to volunteer for Desert Shield as a prior service inductee, because I could no longer trust the politicians nor the people who were supposedly telling me what was happening on the other side of the planet. It became obvious that the military had not changed since I left it a decade earlier, rotten to the core.

    Americans at that time were still celebrating the fall of the Berlin Wall, buying pieces of it from people on AOL or Yahoo. Weird Al captured a moment of American absurdity that I think about often:
     
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    everything bagel Banned

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    Wow. That's an interesting point. The US may end up like Japan if we're not careful, but at the same time, it's unfair to put procreation as some kind of "duty" on people. People are having fewer children for multiple factors. The 2 biggest that come to mind is 1, a single income can't float a family of 4 like it did in the 50's. And 2, career paths have opened up to women that previously didn't exist. I think a lot more women are interested in exploring these career options and then doing the mom thing later in life, resulting in fewer children. I'm not anti American by any means, but I do sometimes question capitalism. When we're all too busy working to make babies, well, that's a problem
     
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    I agree. Many of the so called patriots believe the military will side with them. I'm not sure that's true. I believe the military, at least the top brass, wants to maintain the integrity of the country.

    exactly
     
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    If trump is removed from office, I don't see Pence being elected president. We went down that road in 1976.
    However, if he were to be elected, I see a return to a more normal presidency. Pence is a milktoast, and will toe the government line.
    I am not a Pence fan, but at least he isn't a bullshitter, or a blowhard.
     
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  20. No argument from me on this, there are an array of causal factors, all of them driving personal anxieties across a wide swath of the American population, regardless of race, gender or politics. Like it or not, most of us are varying degrees from 99% to maybe 92%. There's a massive wealth canyon between the 1% and the 5%, so just imagine what it's like to live in the land of creative taxation where we are forced into career chutes to be driven in circles right up to the time the bolt slams through our skull.

    I think the primary problem is that our economies are basically built on a continuously-growing model. When the population was low, a few percent rise could be sustained well across generations or tens of generations. So when the Americans were not growing fast enough to be profitable, the gates were opened for mass immigration. I used to wonder why abortion was a factor when the worker population was declining. Then it began to make sense, it's a matter of culling the lesser productive (in terms of tax revenue generation).

    Naturally there are controls to keep the government from offing our grandparents and disabled children. So culling would have to be accomplished another way. I'm not interested in a Sanger lesson, I'm only speaking in pragmatic terms on the issue. But knowing our government, and knowing how incompetent it can be, we trust it to regulate population and they utilize a variety of means from rubbers to wars.

    Fuck those assholes.
     
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