Do any of you actually live in Amsterdam?

I was referring to velvet's very good point that many people who hold views like yourself would be quick to change their tunes if they were ever in the position of being made an immigrant themselves.

My comment was that if things continue as they have been and people continue to hold onto beliefs like yours, then war might not be that far off and you might very well find yourself seeking refuge somewhere else.

I find it quite interesting that you don't have a problem with the foreigners that you know personally! This highlights a very good point: the dutch people who actually have positive personal relationships with immigrants, rarely feel hostile towards them.

now if only every immigrant could get to know you personally, maybe you'd have a very different opinion on the best solution to this situation!

ps. personally, i find dutch music far more 'annoying' than turkish music, i mean, rene froger? come on.....

 

Im not rude, i saw it in the papers sometime ago, about Dutch people not having enough kids to keep the country going in the future etc. How am i rude?

 

Its so weird how you talk to us about 'they'. Anyway, what you said about the colonies and stuff actually isnt true. We were about the only ones who didnt go to other continents to start colonies. It was all for trade, untill other countries started to colonize the lands overseas and trade became harder. For ages studies of the western world was called Holland-studies in Japan. Not because thats the only country in the west theyd heard of, its the only country in the west they could keep a normal trade relationship with, and therefore it was the one country that gave them insight in the western world. Most other countries came to colonize, to convert the inhabitants etc, but we didnt.

 

lol.. so so true.. you forgot frans bauer..

But it's true what fedor said about the ratio allochtoon/autochtoon.. I mean when I go visit my brother in rotterdam I can tell by the people when I enter the randstad.. Not only the many allochtonen, but also that the people are way louder there for some reason.. All people, also the dutch..
The sollution may not be having more kids as myrtje suggested, but simply spreading the people all over the city's and maybe even the country.. Make it more attractive for allochtonen to go live in drente or friesland..

And I don't want war.. violence is never the solution..

 

and if it's in the paper it must be true..
you can't force people to breed.. you can't tell people to have more kids only to keep the economy going.. The world is to crowded as it is anyways..

 

Blof is good though *hier aan de kust, de zeeeeeeuwse kust* i love that song haha

 

why is this taken so seriously? when i first said it i was merely making a joke.

 

i didnt suggest having more kids damnit.

 

I'm not sure what they teach in Dutch schools but it's pretty well established that the Dutch have had a negative impact on the majority of their colonies. that's not to say that English were any better, you only have to look at what they did to the native inhabitants of australia. Colonization is always ugly. You are right that the Dutch have always (and still are) pragratic and very profit driven. That however, doesn't offer justification for the many attrocities that have been commited in the name of 'trade' or proift.

 

capitalism is ugly

 

unfortunately that's true all too often. you only have to look to what is going on in iraq at the moment. it's practically a corporate takeover.

 

You know what the problem is with 'gastarbeiders' (host workers)? The government ask them to come but at the same time there is workless dutch people who also wanna work. Why hostworkers when there are enough dutch people who can do the same job.
There has never been so much unimployment in Holland as there is today. Also High educated people can get no job. And they wanna bring people to holland to work. Because they're cheap.
No wonder the dutch are angry. It is not the dutch people who ask them to come but that strange government off theirs. Balken-ellende(Balkenende((Balken misery))(((The dude with the Harry Potter har))).

 

I don't know what's up with you or me today but I actually agree with you! Hehe.. also on the Dutch music thing

The Dutch had a MAJOR inpact on their colonies and I think you can hardly compare the Dutch-Japanese trade business (on Deshima, a small island thingy in the bay of Nagasaki) with that of what they did in the (former) colonies. The trade was very strictly controled by the Japanese and the Dutch were kept well away from the population.

In colonies like Indonesia and Surinam the Dutch treated the natives as dirt, like a low life form, heathens. If possible, they brought in slaves from Africa. Basically we Dutch people have caused forced mass migration in the most brutal and inhuman way, all in the name of 'trade'.

 

Come on, it's ridiculous to bring back things like slavery which happened hundred of years ago. Looking for excuses Velvet?

 

I was just responding to the 'Dutch trade/colonise' respons. What would I need excuses for according to you?

 

The immigrants aren't nice to Dutch people, and their excuse is that in the past we weren't that nice to them...

 

LOL.. you aren't serious are you? Immigrants aren't nice to Dutch people? It's not like the Dutch have a warm welcoming comittee you know? Do you have the faintest idea what the struggles of refugees and other immigrants are in our country? How they are treated as second class citizens on a daily basis?
If I was treated like them I would've become pretty violent by now I think.. and yet the most immigrants are hard working honest people.

 

Not a warm welcome? Get the fuck out of this country if you don't like it here, and don't bother me by yelling kankerkaas for no reason.

 

lol. likewise actually.

 

1. Go back to school. You quite obviously are in need of some history lessons.

2. Stop believeing everything you read in De Telegraph.

3. Get out and actually meet some Immigrants. You might be surprised to learn that they aren't that different from yourself, just in different circumstance.

4. Realize that unless you change your current way of thinking, you're setting yourself up (or possibly your children) to fight a war that you have no chance of winning.