Do you feel a DRAFT?

u sed back my words up?
" UNICEF estimated more than 1.2 million Iraqis had died result sanctions, US-based International Action Coalition claimed 1997, economic embargo upon Iraq had killed 1.4 million people." -
http://www.urban-renaissance.org/urbanren/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=8713

 

Please provide a link to an actual UNICEF study which estimate that 1.2 million died as a result of sanctions.

Thanks.

 

google it urself, stop beign lazy, im showing u where i read it...

 

I think it is only a matter of time. Only after they call up all the reserves and past-service members!

 

I'm not being lazy, its just that I happen to know that the commonly cited "UNICEF" figure is false but is endlessly repeated across the web.


Hilariously, your own link contradicts you. Here's the parts you didn't bother to read from your own story:

So basically, you are saying you believe what Saddam tells you?

 

no, i didnt question the validity of the facts, but that 1.2 is what i saw... wheres the contradiction in this? did i ever say we should trust sadaam?did i say iraq was worse off before we imposed the sanctions? thats not the issue i just said lives should be worth something...people died as a result of our actions(can u take taht for what it is, or should i cite my sources?)
i was told to show taht i didnt pull those facts outta my ass for the sake of an arguement, we can argue about the validity of the link later.

 

To me, this isnt about bringing a dictator down...Bush is acting more of a dictator than anything. Thats my opinion.
And to the 51 one year old: Maybe we aren't protesting day after day but how is it our responsibility to clean up Bush's mess? I'm sure all of us here feel the same pain that you did during your time. Instead of getting angry, understand that we can actually relate. And people ARE protesting; maybe not me personally but it's happening. Just a few weeks ago I received a call from an army recruiter that I turned down, and he asked me why...I gave my reasons about being against the war and so forth, and he explained to me something that happened lately about a group protesting at a school he went to, to try and recruit senior students. I'm never going to fight in a war, no war is just... and us fighting in the war isn't necessarily going to end it. I will under no circumstances kill another human, or put my ass on the line for some freak of a president who's desperately mimicking an imperialist.

Do you see any of us on here wearing baggy pants and talking about rap songs? I think not.

I understand your point of view, and I accept it.... I just don't appreciate the hostile vibe towards us.

Would protesting even make a difference? Did the hippies during vietnam really stop the war? It had nothing to do with their protests.

I don't understand what you're trying to suggest.... if we should fight the war or protest, all you're rambling on about is that we're basically lazy for sitting at our computers talking about it. I'll tell you one thing, at least the people on here are informed, and feel something towards the subject...would it be better if none of us gave a fuck? Isn't that what you want...for us to give a fuck? Well, we do but what are you suggesting that we do? Go kill ourselves in a horribly corrupt war, or to get out there and protest ? Define what you expect. Either option isn't going to stop this war....
Bush is horribly powerful and deceiving, rich and manipulitive...and he doesn't give two fucks what the American people think. Every last one of the American citizens could oppose this war, and do you think that would stop him? I'm almost positive it wouldn't.

But, I'm not even going to try to make ends meet with people with different views such as yourself, because people are going to believe what they believe, and that's just how life is.

 

I don't for a minute believe it's the responsibility of your generation to clean up after the Rethuglofascists, but I do believe it is your responsibility to do your best to see that YOUR government does the right thing, not only in getting us out of Iraq and not starting other wars of aggression, but seeing that our civil rights aren't eroded under the guise of protecting us from "Tewwawism."

If you believe that we had nothing to do with helping end the 'Nam war, I'd say you're completely wrong about that. But, as you say, you'll believe what you wish. And I will say that turning down a recruiter has nothing to do with hitting the streets in mass protest.

Please don't mistake hostility for frustration. My hostility is reserved for those of my fellow citizens who have completely abandoned the Constitution in favor of a half-baked Christian theocratic fascism., and who would rather kill millions of non-xtian brown-skinned people rather than give up their precious SUVs, golf courses, and suburban ghetto mansions.

It's good that you're thinking about the way things are, and the way that you'd like them to be.

 

I sure hope it doesnt come to a draft. I volunteered for service and I have my reasons for doing so which I expect none of you would possibly understand. Most of you think that all the soldiers, sailors and marines joined just to kill people and that we are all a bunch of uneducated neanderthals. Thats cool. Youre entitled to think that way. BUT I dont believe that anyone should be forced into service against their will. I do not want to have to depend on somebody to watch my back that doesnt want to be there. I put my life in the hands of all my shipmates everytime we leave port and I feel confident in them because they all are here because they want to be.

The only possible exception to my opposition to a draft would be in the unlikely event a hostile force is threatening to invade and occupy the US. But in that event were pretty much fucked anyway.

As for some of you wondering about what you can do to "clean up the mess", by all means protest the occupation of Iraq. If you feel that strongly about it then get off your ass and DO SOMETHING. Even if you think it's futile to try how about putting your grand words into action? Thats the problem with a lot of the peaceniks. You scream and yell and cry but you never DO anything. Most of you dont even get off your couch and cast your votes on election day because you think that wont make a difference anyway. Well when less than half the population casts their votes then something is seriously fucked up.

You could try soaking yourself in kerosene and lighting yourself on fire. Morally committed monks in Vietnam knew how to put on a goddamned demonstration. Come on you moral crusaders... lets see a little smoke!

 

Of course not. We believe the US government.

 

I have to give you props DeadHead, I'm sure you get asked the same question my fiancee does "Why?" Sure entering this war was pointless, as is our so called evacuating.

I don't think a draft will be that emminet yet. I'd predict a few more years, but it will probably be around come 2012. I can't be taken. I'm only 98 lbs. Don't make weight, have asthma (never would be in the air cause of my eyes)

 

< 4-f 6 ways from sunday not that I won't join in protests, I just have seizure defense mechanisms

 

many people appreciate freedom but are unwilling to fight for it (either fighting in iraq or fighting the government in a protest). i too agree that people need to get up and do something and quit whining on their computers about how fucked up the government is.

 

I fail to see how fighting in Iraq is fighting for our freedom.

 

depends on how you look at it. thats why i incuded "fighting the government in a protest", so i could be fair to both sides.

 

I see your point. But I'm betting if they did try to install a draft, quite a few people would wake up. I would imagine they would call it something else since "draft" in many people's minds equals "vietnam" which doesn't sit well, especially with congresspeople trying to get re-elected next year.

 

yes because the word "taht" is spelled that way not becuase it was a typo but because i actually didnt know how to spell the word...


u say sadaam killed many of his own people (referring to the Kerds)yes he did but guess what?we gave him the weapons and money to do it, we supported sadaam militarily and economically well after the iran iraq war ended, even during this so called genocide, so even that comes back to US, i dont have to demonize the US, history demonizes the US...
and i can spell taht any fucking way i please because there is a difference btwn typo and stupidity. and i dont think anyone from gerogia should be giving me grammar lessons.

 

yeah so we can turn out like u, a 51 year old elitist shitheads condemning us "youths" for not taking the same drug-riddled, anarchistic our fathers did.
stop ripping on little kids and go get a job or something...
i have a question what r u doing now, i didnt know protests had an age limit, when was the last time u saw large bands of 50 year old former hippies protesting the war, u dont, its us doing that becuase u dropped the batton, and sacrificed ur sharp edges to stay within the lines...i never thot id hear a former hippie rip me for not conforming into speaking proper english(or in this case typing too fast (i wasnt aware I was being graded on this test, asshole))

if this war esculated into something liek vietnam ud see more of us but for the time being dont criticize us for not taking ur ragtag approach despite its apparant success [/sarcasm]

 

and we do resist, as fervently as u did, only we take an apporach that actually works, we work within the system to get things done, we actually stay in college so one day we can run for office and correct our problems the right way, as opposed to droping out and tuning in, seems a bit coutnerproductive dont u think...

 

I'm not from "gerogia" (sic), I'm from New York. I live in Georgia for the time being. As far as claiming you can spell taht "any fucking way i (capitalised in English, btw) please," when you are "all growed up" you will find out differently. You are incoherent.