do you find it easier to be spiritual when doing drugs?

Drugs are a temporary illusion.

Not spiritual at all to any degree..
Drugs may lay the effect of a spiritual experience when its nothing close. and one can reach a VAST higher ground from being truly connected to your self, your true essence.. not the drugs

 

I'm sorry.. I just looked at the poll and saw all the current results...... it shows what reality people generally like to create for themselves.........


Break down the walls of illusion and fear. Live to let your spirit seek its true destination.

 

read my post, and tell me what you think electricbuddah

 

WE have ability to reach levels of the mind and body that isn’t charted.



We can manifest any thing we like, we all hold a huge amount of self power. but we block our self with drugs. you may be able to reach a ”similar feeling” but it’s temporary and with the help of harming your body and doing some drugs.

((It’s simply an temporary "illusion" of a spiritual experience))

OR

You can really dive into who YOU are not who the DRUGS are. really dive into your path, and finding out what spirituality really means to you, and reach a mind set far beyond our conception of this physical little world.




Though if you haven’t experienced this for your self, and your making this profound judgment on such a sacred experience, that’s pretty ignorant.

 

No not at, listen to hard beats and drown myself in 40s

 

ive always been a very spiritual person. being alone in nature helps me more.

peace lvoe and laughter
amanda

 

i voted no. i think naturally occouring 'drugs' can help you be more 'spiritual'. think synthetics like lsd or ectacy are designed to give an illusion of spirituality, i think this is done intentionally to make people stop searching for a true spiritual high.

 

Mary Jane is my "Spirit Guide".

 

The first inklings of religon in human history came from eating amanita mushrooms.

ref: R. Gordon Wasson and his research on Soma

 

for you to say the drugs are not spiritual at all to any degree, we have to assume you have consumed all these substances in every setting possible, with every mindframe possible....just because you have not expirienced what someone else has, dosent mean their expirience isnt valid or spiritual. spirituality is incredible personal and defined by an individuals immediate expirience...something that is uniquely their own.

"one can reach a VAST higher ground from being truly connected to your self, your true essence"
-indeed, i agree completely, though id say once this connection has been established, certin ethogens can be very spiritual and take one even higher spiritually, because at that stage in teh game, one is balanced enough to remain stable. its all about set and setting....ones current mindframe and history before the trip. excluding addictive, destructive drugs like crack, drugs are neutral like all things in life, it is only with intent can the outcome be measured as good or bad... positive or negative.

 

NO matter what the experience is, if your on drugs. (then your on drugs) your simply disconnected with yourself, and your true spirituality. and all you will know is the spirituality that the drugs offer..

So yes I will say drugs are spiritual to some degree... but what they offer are strictly temporary, and harming our body non the less.

But how many of you take drugs to be spiritual? if that’s why u take drugs, and for that reason then you expect to acutely be "spiritual" well its like giving you a brief Preview of something close. (In my experiences nothing close)

And if your wanting to be come spiritual connected with your self.. that your not going the right way.. just a way that looks right feel right, but isn’t right.

And if you rely open drugs to be spiritual in any way, then you gain this attachment to the illusion. Drugs are just another party of Samaras deceptive pleasures and illusions.

It simply sounds like some of you have never endured a truly Spiritual experience (which is a HUGE judgment, but non the less it seems to be all about the drugs to some folks)

When you say "spirituality is incredibly personal and defined by an individuals immediate experience...something that is uniquely their own." you are absolutely right
and drugs offer you something that is NOT your own, you may believe it to your death bed in this life... but its just an illusion.

 

With some rituals and in some paths i feel that weed enhances the experience and I also offer a toke to the gods and goddess i feel they like this as they give me a better high for doing so.

 

Electricbuddaha,

so what are you saying about the Native American Church?

In any case, as one who has had a profoundly spiritual experience- both on and off drugs- I can tell you it's no different.

I've seen far more lives changed for the better from proper use of hallucinogenics than any other way.

 

Marijuana is used to increase "specific" areas of various rituals, in some religions.
but as for becoming reliant or only spiritually connected though the use of the herb: The Native American Church would not use it for that purpose.

not many people use it for a true ritual of spiritual expression any more, its just to get stoned.

Non the less. i'm sorry to hear people have to endure hallucinogenic for self healing. To hallucinate means to see things that aren’t there. its just putting a mask over another mask.

Every thing we live in is a illusion and we create our own reality. the un manifested is no different then a physical manifestation of matter. the dream is no different than the dreamed. and our thoughts are of just as much value as an action in a physical form.

We live blinded from truth.. the planet is slowly awakening and people are beginning to realize the importance of community and connecting. but as for the majority people live in this world of samara. a world of suffering...

weather its eating ice cream and disliking it or wanting to own a car... its all Temporary happiness. if that car u own, that u LOVE goes away, then the happiness that it provided goes away too.

Hence when we do drugs, consciously or unconsciously we mask our reality that we have made. Them go into the world of the drug. and its only temporary.

WE have the power to create our own reality and break down the wall of illusion and fear with out the use of drugs and welcome our self into a spiritual world. a 4th dimension of consciousness

drugs may have made changes to these peoples lives, but they may still live in the depths of an illusion, We all do.

 

"Every thing we live in is a illusion and we create our own reality."

I disagree 100%.

"Reality is as reality does."

your philosophy is solipistic.

All spiritual experiences are hallucinations- and all contain the same chemical cause.

 

As I read back on my previous post it was a bunch of bullshit. I guess I just made all of it up because the more I think about it only parts of it really make sense. And I talk about a lot of drugs I've never even personally done. That's one reason I hate reading Tim Leary's books they fuck with your head. Personally I think specific substances (psychedelics in particular) have a lot of potential in helping people find their spiritual selves, or at least helping them to take a step back and make deductions about their character and them as a person. For me personally I find LSD and mushrooms to do this in the most effective way. Marijuana can be almost more of a hinderance to my spirituality than an aid to it because while I'm stoned I get too caught up in thoughts, and what I'm doing to do simple things like play with my little brothers, eat healthy foods, and really pay attention to the world around me. Luckily for me I have recently been able to experience a lot more sativa dominant herb which allows me to get stoned, but still be perceptive of these things. The thing is I base my spirituality off of karma, and what my conscience tells me is right & wrong. Generally these ideas are similar to multiple religions, hinduism and christianity (don't make judgements) being the central two. I believe in the concepts of Brahma, reincarnation, meditation, and humanitarianism. And overall I'm a very spiritual person, but I can be too into mysticism at times which isn't a bad thing, but it could cloud my perceptions on what concepts like reality vs. the afterlife really mean. Either way drugs can be useful, but they can also be a problem for my spirituality.

 

Spiritual experiences are not hallucinations..... that kind of strange.

Every one creates there own reality weather you like to think so or not, weather your conscious of it or not

We all see the same "physical" attributes in this time and physical reality, we see objects and concept to those objects... but what happens with in this current "physical” manifestation is your choice…. how you view your life, lessons you learn, and what gets brought your way.

you are creating your own reality right now by completely being close-minded and rejecting the universes eternal gift, it is still a choice and an out come from your believing, or lack of

 

You're not fooling me...

I'm afraid my knowledge of the Universe as well as my experience far, far exceeds yours. Homocentricity is not the way.

Life is not how you wish it to be. You're naivity is astonishing.

You've closed your mind to reality- you're "spiritual" interpretation IS a hallucination.

Solipisim is both unreasonable and illogical.

Someday, as you engage life, you'll find how painfully true that is.

 

i concur....actually this is somthing the psychedelic expirience taught me. we are indeed creaters of reality...channels of that universal life force energy. and i totally believe and individual can take that as far as they like, as their understanding of this energy grows. its like Dr. leary said, "any reality is an opinion, and you create your own reality."

 

Oh I love you,

No matter what my life is, my life is amazing in ever direction.

I know my self and I know my path. I know that no matter how negative some one is toward me, i can look at that person and accept them as a friend, and take that negativity and see it as a gift to help my self grow and learn. Every moment of my life is sacred and beautiful. I don’t dwell on the shadow of the future nor on the shadow of past..



i create my own reality


you do too. your still creating your own reality as u continue to contradict me. Your choice to not see all infinite possibility within this universe and all matter limit your reality to what you believe.. you live what you believe. You are what u believe. And if you don’t believe, then its not part of your reality.



its really humorous to see you do this. EVERY HUMAN DOSE but in a defensive attitude it funny, to watch you contradict your self... its unfortunate you cant see that though..

But you will,

you are a beautiful soul, you are a spiritual master. Compassion and love will guide you, your mind will awaken from your illusion and fear.