Do you think these parents should be charged?

Monsterism, we fuck kids to make them feel good, and then if they are sick we just go ahead and let them die

Funny, we have never attracted any negative attention before, we though it was the moral thing to do to let those kids get back to heaven asap

 

I'm feeling a hint of sarcasm? :lol:

 

Um, I guess I'd send them to trial and see if they were mentally competent to stand trial. I would suggest perhaps not, but that's because I believe that someone who choses prayer over medicine is mentally ill.

For your self, you can choose not to seek medical help, but to have your child die because of this is evil. It's also criminal neglect and manslaughter.

If they were competent to stand trial, yes. Hell yes.

 

Ugh.

 

I've seen a lot of words thrown around so far.

Neglect, manslaughter, rational.....The last one's not a joke, btw, I intend fully to argue the use of all three of these words.


Neglect:

to pay no attention or too little attention to; disregard or slight
to be remiss in the care or treatment of (remiss means being carless or slow in performing ones duties)
to omit, through indifference or carelessness

It seems to me that these parents were not careless or indifferent to their childs needs. It also seems that they did not disregard the illness of their child as they took what they deemed appropriate action. Tell me how you would fit there actions to these definitions.

Some of you said that the parents should be charged with manslaughter. This is truly absurdity at its finest. If I see a man who was shot and don't take him to the hospital, out of belief that he's dangerous, did I kill him? My belief may not be any more true than that of the parents, but I promise I'm not going to prison over it.

Manslaughter: the unlawful killing(to deprive of life in any manner) of a human being without malice aforethought

They did not deprive her of her life in any manner. Her life was taken naturally. Period. I could see neglect charges being reasonable, though still uncalled for, but manslaughter? Tsk tsk..... you guys would make for rabid jury.

Rational: agreeable to reason; reasonable; sensible

Piaf says that the parents didn't take rational action to save their daughter. The word rational along with all words used to define its most basic meaning, are all subjective in nature, are they not? That being said it's a matter of opinion in most cases what is or isn't rational or sensible. To them based on their heritage, raising, and religious beliefs they were doing what was in the best interest of their daughter.

If this does go to court it will be a field day. All harmful charges, such as manslaughter, will be bargained away and the parents will receive a slap on the wrist along with their slew of negative attention. How is it the place of any of you to judge these people?

Kids die in hospitals too you know. What if they said yes to a risky surgery and the child died? THAT is manslaughter by definition on the part of the parents and the surgeon. Who gets charged there? The kid would've lived 8 more months had the surgery not been opted for...... Let's just start locking up every parent who loses their child. That'll sure fix shit... WTF is fucking wrong with you people?

 

Can you explain how this definition of neglect doesn't fit?

As for this.....

"Some of you said that the parents should be charged with manslaughter. This is truly absurdity at its finest. If I see a man who was shot and don't take him to the hospital, out of belief that he's dangerous, did I kill him? My belief may not be any more true than that of the parents, but I promise I'm not going to prison over it."

-Do you not see a difference between some "dangerous stranger" and one's own child that a parent is responsible for their care?

(i do agree that manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter may not fit but that is why i said "neglect and POSSIBLY manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter"... that would be up to the DA to determine if there is a case for said charge(s) and possibly a jury to decide if it fits or not. I'm not sure how neglect can be argued though)

 

I think the parents should be charged with 1500 volts and they can pray for their own survival.

 

and my appropriate action is fucking my kids when they are sick to make them better....is that criminal. They live under my roof, I can do what I think is best, RIGHT?



I am on the side that allows sick kids to get medical attention

i have no clue what the fuck is wrong with some of you, but something for sure

 

:agree:

 

I didn't say he WAS dangerous. Just that I believed he was. Could've been a poor shmuck that got car jacked. Could be a guy that just tried to rob somebody, got shot, and ran off. I dunno what will happen, so I make the best choice I can. Same as the parents did.

As far as not fitting that definition of neglect goes: There was no evident that they were careless in their manner of prayer or in the things they CHOSE to do to help remedy their daughters illenss. They simply didn't make the same choice you would have made, so you pass a judgement and place a negative lable on their actions. Now can you tell me how it DOES fit as I've already asked.

Also, why did you choose not to address the last paragraph which fully illustrates that, regardless of me arguing these terms, the point to charge or chastise these parents is hypocritical and foolish.

I'd like to see the stats on how many who said they should be charged actually have children. I have kids and I can tell you now I love, respect, and protect them to the fullest. Doesn't mean that I'm always going to make the same decisions regarding what's BEST for them because it's a subjective matter when you say things like, BEST INTEREST. It's a guessing game. "Me sending you to your dad's is in your BEST INTEREST". Even something that simple is a GUESS. He could go to his dad's and get shot by the neighbor a week later. Should THAT parent be charged?

Everybody who says they should be charged just keeps being a smart ass and telling those who disagree to prove their side, but nobody who has said to charge them has provided a logical or valid reason as to why. This argument is not as much a debate as a venting area it seems.

 

And without a blindfold


Hotwater

 

and if you make a foolish decision that kills your kid, then i will hope you are arrested too

 

You're committing an actual crime that is not subjective in nature, and using a ridiculous example to hammer home a point that you can't seem to elaborate on or justify in any other manner.

None of you have been able to.

How is what these parents did any different than the quoted situation which happens every day in this country?

 

Au contraire, its an obvious arguement that I have easily won

 

Okay, possibly because I believe one's duty as a parent of a sick child is getting them medical treatment, not praying for them.

People are arrested all the time for not getting medical treatment for sick animals (just watch animal cops)- it doesn't much matter if they were praying for that pet or not.

Medical treatment for those that you are responsible for their care falls into a responsiblity.

Also, I don't understand how charging the parents would be hypocritical or foolish. When my cats are sick I take them to the vet. If I had a sick child I would take him or her to the doctor- so how does that make me a hypocrite?

 

Yet another judgement without backing at all.

Why is it I'm the one being cornered yet I'm the only one who can honestly and fully back my stance logically?

 

Sometimes you guys amaze me in great ways.

Other times your ignorance leaves me wishing to blow my head off.......

Maybe if I did you guys would be charged for being the ones to drive me to it. That's the kind of world you'd have us living in if everybody thought like you guys.

 

^This is not a logical reason why they should be charged?

 

What are you even arguing Adam. That they didn't contribute to their childs death? Because they did. They killed their child by not seeking care for them. This isn't about choice. The child didn't choose to die. The childs parents chose to refuse care.

 

And about the surgery that a child dies from... that is different from neglect, as in such a situation the family has likely been told statistics such as "with this surgery there is a 50 percent chance or survival and without there is a zero percent chance of survival".