do you think we all get judged

I still don't see how any of these intrepretations about predictions validates your perception. If the prophecy holds true to anything, realistically, then it only validates that religion tends to hold a prophetic nature (Ex: Maya, Tarot, Biblical, etc) And is worth studying. It doesn't prove a limited perspective to be a total one, just that within one paradigm is an important lesson or two (or three.) The trouble comes when one voice wishes to be all, and believes that voice to be true. When one voice attempts to drown out all others, it is one man's empire and another's tyranny; of the mind, body and spirit.

 

Only the prophecies of the Bible are being fulfilled with 100% accuracy. And if God authored the Book, we could expect no less. Maya or Tarot does not speak with the authority of the scriptures. Nor do they speak with such detailed content. The Bible does speak the truth, and God states that this truth would be opposed by the world.

 

Ostrich.

 

What kind of logic is that? If the Bible is perfect, and nothing is perfect but God, God must have written the Bible? That simple equation is so full of assumption's it cannot be observed passively. Perfect is non-existent, not to mention the accuracy of the Bible being, well, arguable. There are many detailed prophetic writings aside from the Bible, but whether or not they are accurate is up to how the reader interprets them.

Of course an ethnocentric religious doctrine would claim itself to be absolute, and all who oppose it be against the absolute, the true, the righteous, the perfect. An attempt to steal that divinity that holds no boundaries and knows no duality and crystallize it into dogma, belief and idealism, severely limiting the individual's spiritual journey to one of indoctrination, ritualization and even their own spiritual growth.

Divinity does not belong to one book or man, one idea or culture, nor can a single book contain that divinity. To claim otherwise? Is that not arrogance? To believe God is yours if you 'follow' a code, of worship? Is that not blindness? Divinity is as much of me and of the cosmos, this world, beautiful creation, as it is of you, of your imagination, of the Church and all of its assumptions. It is both the believer and the athiest, the science and the dogma, the microcosm and the macrocosm of human experience. Divinity simply is, and one cannot claim it as their own without forgetting that non-dual essence that we are. We are our faults and we are our maturity, we are our experiences and we are our dreams, we are our disasters and evils as much as we are our miracles and purity. The universe, the spiritual realm, the imagination, all intertwined as one, as you.

 

The Bible tells you there is only one way to heaven, and not many paths. That way is found in the person of Jesus Christ. He was the blood sacrifice. The proof of the Bible is found in its prophecies. Hundreds of years ago ministers who believed the Bible were telling there followers that before Christ returned to this world, the Jews would return to Israel and they would take Jerusalem back by force. They told their people that Israel would be surrounded by enemies, and would be the focus of world attention. Many non believers laught at their claims, and said they were crazy. Nobody is laughting any more, yet those who oppose the truth, still try to deny it.

 

There is nothing to oppose or approve of. A group of individuals who believe in something strongly enough will find any means to justify it, especially if it has some shread of divinity; they will go to all means to defend it. Ethnocentric behavior isn't limited to nationality, but culture, religious and otherwise.

Divinity is non-dual. There's no claiming it as one group's or anothers, there's no exclaiming one right way or a dozen wrong ways. It is ours, as one.

 

Shaman- He has invested too much of his life in lies. A lot of his statements are him covering up the truth with forcefully proclaimed lies about God (which are the foundation of his faith). I don't know why he is the way he is, perhaps a defense mechanism because he is frightened by God.

 

Prophecies are difficult because while the ones involving Jesus are very specifc in that they can only apply to one person over a comparatively short time period the more general ones are harder to interpret. Ones involving large areas such as countries over undefined periods of times are great for interpretation. So for people looking to use the prophices as evidence its probably better to stick to the ones about Jesus. Its also probably better not to use revelations as an example, which reads more like a hallucination than a vision.

 

What people felt, is of little importance. The Bible tells us that the latter days will be when the Jews are back in Israel, and have retaken Jerusalem. Those are facts that are not based on feelings. Ezekiel 37,38,39.

 

I find it interesting that you choose not to respond to the current posts that either I or others have made, and go back to pick at a topic we have discussed already. Still, I can only repeat what I said: Those who want to believe something will do everything in their power to justify it. Possibilities become "facts", interpretations become "definitive".

 

You're probably right Kharakov. At least we tried?

 

The Bible tells u flat out, that Israel and Jeusalem will be retaken and in the hands of the Jewish people in the latter days. Only those who want to believe in hallucinations could deny this. Ezekiel 36,37,38,39.

 

I believe it because it is clearly stated in the Bible. I don't have to do anything to justify my belief other than read my Bible.

Ezekiel 39,23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, there fore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hands of their enemies:

25. Therefore thus saith the Lord God: Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name.

 

Precisely. Just one's own interpretation. It is your world which you have created, but you see it as everyone's world. I wonder, can you break through your self-imposed limitations and rise to the challenge of not only experiencing Divinity, but growing to understand it?

 

Have you ever read the prophecies of the Bible. Or do you just recite your worldly wisdom. When men of the past have read the same prophecies and have stated hundres of years ago such things would happen and then they do. It's time to wake up, and smell the coffey. In 1864 Dr. John Cumming stated that Israel's physical rebirth as a nation and restoration to Palestine was a fact. His words, "The predictions of their restoration are in words as definite only not yet fulfilled. As a nation they were cut off and dispersed, and it is as a nation that they shall be gathered and restored. Their restoration is predicted and demanded. Who will stretch out his hand to move the scene and call forth the actors."
James Grant in 1866 stated, "The personal coming of Christ, to establish His millennial reign on earth, will not take place until the Jews are restored to their own land, and the enemies of Christ and the Jews have gathered together their armies from all parts of the world, and have commenced the siege of Jerusalem... now the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the mustering and marshalling of these mighty armies, with a view to capturing Jerusalem, must require a considerable time yet."
Increase Mather, a famous minister in the early colonies of Ameirca, wrote a book published in 1669 intitled The Mystery of Israel's Salvation. In this book he developed many of the crucial prophecies of Israel's restoration. He, too, showed that the Jews would return to Palestine and become a nation before their spiritual conversion and the return of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

These ministers spoke the truth and they did this long before Israel became a nation. They could speak of the future with accuracy, because they believed the Bible.

 

Jerusalem has been taken and retaken a number of times over the years. How do we know many more cycles of this will not pass before the end? I wasn't picking at the OT prophets when I talked about hallucianations, just revelations. If it is a vision then its unique in messages from God. In that it doesnt really mean anything other than its basic message that one day God will destroy evil, which is quoted plenty of other places. Most visions and other messages direct from God are fairly specific in their language even if they refer to general things, the same cannot be said of revelations.

 

Jerusalem has not been retaken time and time by the Jews after a world wide dispersion. This has only happen once in all of history, and it has only happened in are generation. Second, Juda or southern Israel was to be taken first and that happened in 1948, and third Jerusalem was to be taken second and this happened in 1967. Also, this all would be happening during the time that Babylon would be in existance. This Babylon would be attacked by northern nations that would destroy all of her cities in one hours time. This Babylon has a very detailed discription which only matches The United States.

 

There is no claim on wisdom, but apparently you wish to claim truth. What you see is what you get.

 

What I am saying is the words these ministers spoke were true, and their truth came from the pages of the Bible, which is the Book of truth. And their interpreitation was correct.

 

Again, what one sees as correct is often enough what one allows himself to see. Can you speak without the words of prophecy and Bible? Is your divinity so certain that you may stand alone, proof aside and reveal it to me? Reveal God? Can your truth be so certain as to stand unshook without validation?

In other words, can you put down this indoctrination, alleged data and evidence, fullfilment of prophecy, etc? Can you drop these walls and speak, human to human, spirit to spirit, mind to mind, of this Truth, and reveal it to me? I would think that at such an intimate level, an authentic relationship, one could show another the Truth of things. Is this possible for you? Or must you have your Book to build the pillar from which your faith has risen?