Do you want a war with Russia?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gardener, Sep 12, 2008.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Russia hasn't threatened anyone for years, why are they seen as a immediate threat today. Seems too much like our witch hunt against Sadaam all over again.

    With much less evidence.
     
  2. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    To someone who knows more about it than I, ? i'd rather watch paint dry.
     
  3. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Which planet have you been living on the last 100 years?
     
  4. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I don't think Putin is going to hole up in a tunnel.
     
  5. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    that wasn't the question, try answering .
     
  6. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    You don't have an explanation? I am really interested in why you see conflict with Russia is in the best interest of the US citizens, and I'd really like to understand why Georgia bombed South Ossetia, were they a threat to Gorgia's national independence? Did they threaten anyone's free movement?
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    My question is why are they now seen as the enemy? I'm not sure what your question was. Perhaps the nuke thing, but hey maybe I have a shotgun you have a repeater, the issue of who's weapon is more destructive is moot if you hit the target first.
     
  8. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Of course i do, but i know you, and it isn't what you want to hear, so you will dismiss it quicker than i can type it.

    Horrible analogy, more like You have a Bolt Action Rifle, i want a bullet proof vest..

    When or where have i made that statement ?
    I haven't, you just made it up "like everything else you claim".
     
  9. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Gawd, then why bother, if you can't remember something asked 2 minutes ago.


    Hmm, yeah it could be that Nuke thingy.

    Lets see, i wonder which is more destructive, a missile interceptor or an ICBM with a 550 kiloton warhead ?


    Hiptastic was right, "which he always is"

    You have the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome i have ever witnessed.
     
  10. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I think our threats are more destructive. We create a world in chaos, where none existed before. We sought conflict in areas where none existed previously, and we manufactured it. Now we seek justification for our actions.

    I say there is no jusitification.
     
  11. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I think we have Bush and Cheney and company to thank for this.
     
  12. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Insightful,

    Funny thing is ,you mention being lied to about wmd's in Iraq in every thread, no matter what the topic is.

    But in your last 2 threads "current" you are doing the VERY SAME EXACT thing.

    The very same UN-American tactics you despise of so much.
     
  13. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    No. I believe in peace, unity and love.
     
  14. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    To me the political mechaninations that lead us into war in Iraq was criminal. I will never forget the con game that was played on the US citizens and through Blair on Britian. If we forget that it happenned we will allow it to happen all over again. I don't want to see that in my lifetime.

    To go to war with Russia is wrong. If we had not armed the Georgians and trained them just months prior to their attack on South Osettia I wouldn't be suspicious, but we did. We can't deny that. And I wonder about our motivation at a time when our resources are stretched and our debt is ever increasing. Did our congress agree to sending them those arms and training resources? Or was this another executive act?

    A one last gasp by the Project for a New American Century to achieve their agenda while this administration is still in power. I will not stand silently by and let them do that.
     
  15. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes,and in addition,I wish to remind all that MCain and Palin are lying sons of bitches that will do nothing for this country but keep the money flowing away from the middle class and keep it pumping to the rich through war profiteering and outright tax gifts to the rich.
     
  16. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    What about your cry of"they sold us porta potties" as wmd?

    You're doing the same thing.
    You actually made me laugh with that one.
    Who said it was "right" or a "good thing to do " ?

    FYI, Russia armed Georgia, but i guess you forgot about the Abkhazia War.
    What about the decade before,"when they were trained by NATO". And still are.

    Armed ? you have no idea who Armed Georgia so you just assumed it was the US.

    Lets see, Tanks- Soviet-made T-55/T-72 provided by Ukraine.
    Helicopters- Mi-8/Mi-24 Moscow, yeah that's right Moscow.

    Armored Vehicles-Ukraine

    Cannons and Artillery systems-Czech manufactured.

    The proof is in the results, had the US trained and armed Georgian Troops to keep Russia out, Russia would have been kept out.

    More like "We cant prove that ", if you can please do.

    What arms ?

    Nobody said you were or had to, just don't use the same tactics"lies" to get your point across.
     
  17. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    I've seen some blogging that more or less supports Iranian development of WMD's as a right to a national self defense. OK.

    Taking that tack, why wouldn't Poland have the right to install a defensive missle shield to defend itself from those very same Iranian nukes?

    In comparison, the interceptor missles seem a whole lot less threatening than the nuclear program espoused in Iran. Poland isn't threatening fire and brimstone on anybody.

    If the Soviet Union,,,,,,,,,, er Russia is so upset by Poland's move, then let Russia take a more active and constructive role in limiting the WMD ambitions of Iran. Putin can sit back an chuckle while Iran plays a cats paw against Western Nations.
     
  18. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Substitute the Nation of Iraq and minorities in Kurdistan and Shia peoples.
     
  19. Zuul

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    IMHO military men, concepts of the USA and NATO have completely failed. Probably Russia has strongly lagged behind in development of the armed forces BUT vesterns have got armed force in full dung and absolute deadlock. War in Georgia has distinctly shown it. The system of arms and the doctrine taken as a principle military building have led completely to incapacitated army. I am afraid that to the NATO countries in general is not present what chances in case of war with Russia. NATO armies simply will be run from Brest to Potomac throwing all and all. Arms NATO were created to receive more grandmas from budgets instead of really to be at war and win.
     
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