Does God Exist (the Barber Story)...

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by SvgGrdnBeauty, Mar 8, 2006.

  1. FireflyInTheDark

    FireflyInTheDark Sell-out with a Heart of Gold

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    Well said. Was gonna post, but evidently I don't have to. :)
     
  2. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Some people who "Go to God" are responsible for the most horrific...
    The metaphor is based on unrealistic expectations of God and barbers. It's all the "omni" stuff that causes confusion. God doesn't have to be that "omni". Potent & Scient is good enough for me!
     
  3. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    No, the story simply suggests that misery exists because people do not choose, or go to God. It was someone else's excuse that God can not be "expected" to save everyone. I do not accept excuses for a God that does not exist.

    The truth is that the more poverty stricken, harsh and cruel a region is, the more powerful the religious faith is in the population. Is God saving these people, or drugging them from harsh reality? God is nothing more than a placebo for tools and pawns.
     
  4. willedwill

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    He does exist by the consensus of following. But some would want Him to realize believing in whatever it be necessary for courage to be futile. Thus we'd stop believing; make life possible for an ignorant satisfaction. These are not the atheists of the computer age and remarkably reasoning through common valuable observations that what was for all; all (from various consciousnes's) was possibly as much a dream as a physical reality. And physical reality is a an imposition upon our frustrated state of gullible deception of each other.

    Thereby 'God' is a healing mechanism for the loner that he receives the lonely approval of being a klutz for his efforts.
     
  5. Fingermouse

    Fingermouse Helicase

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    According to the story, this person didn't "go to god" and that is why he is starving to death at the age of 2.

    The story's "message" is fucked up, sick and frankly, shameful. Absolutely shameful. I fear for anyone who holds such a world view.
     
  6. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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  7. willedwill

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    About Kant? He is neither idealistic nor realistic. But at the End of the World; He IS remembering all of our sins for the idealism.
     
  8. willedwill

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    Oh... see you are all seriously way ahead of me. If we come back to an honestly left wing Kant, we should find that our typing or in general dexterity depends on a lot of the idealistic concern for the reduction of the apperception from shear synthesis square down to a refusal of abstract thinking values. How is Kant practical? All of our sins are believed in by the lover of the World realistically, and that goes against the grain a lot of truer idealism.

    But being a realist was Me the anti-christ knowing hoe to hate God. Nope: still judge ythe idealistic fingers.
     
  9. Fingermouse

    Fingermouse Helicase

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    This thread churns my stomach.
     
  10. RooRshack

    RooRshack On Sabbatical

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    Makes for a cool story.

    But other than something I'd like to get my atheist friends high and show to them, that doesn't mean a whole lot.......

    God, unlike a barber, is intimately intertwined in the lives of all of his creations, if he truly is god. Allegedly, anyway.
     
  11. theonewhobelieves

    theonewhobelieves Guest

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    So very many of you are foolish! Can anyone understand the mind of God save that the same be found in Him and in unison with His will? How foolish can you be? "And eventually I realized the truth, and gave up my search. And I have never been happier." Has it ever occured to you that you were looking for God in all the wrong places? Look at the state of your heart. You, yourself did not even want to find what you were looking for! And that is because you know very well you would have to change everything about you that is not compatible with the God you were looking for. And I will tel you the reason why if you care enough to ask
     
  12. theonewhobelieves

    theonewhobelieves Guest

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    O what the hell. Here's the reason: You are a human and being that, you are at a fallen state. God is sovereign and unchanging. He is not capricious and His word is absolute. But you as a human are fickle, unholy, and unstable in all your ways - at worse you are evil! You are so incompatible with God and hence you are hostile in all your ways against His will.

    Writes C.S. Lewis, "Humans are very seldom either totally sincere or totally hypocritical. Their moods change, their motives are mixed, and they are often themselves quite mistaken as to what their motives are."

    But in all that you are, and all that God is, these do not preclude Him from seeking a relationship with you, wanting to be found by you. Seek ye the Lord while He may still be found, therefore. Peace
     
  13. FlyingFly

    FlyingFly Dickens

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    God is an ass.
    How cruel you have to be to create such a fucked up world?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnd_JOp-eBE"]Louis CK - Louie - God is like a shitty girlfriend - YouTube
     
  14. The existence of suffering is a really bad argument for the lack of existence of a higher power. Pain is as fundamental as being physically hurt. That things can physically harm you isn't really a bad thing. We'd all just be happy fungus if there were no pain.

    What you're asking for is there to be a magical limit to pain at a certain point. For instance, we should all have to satiate our hunger, because we can find food, and food is one of the things people enjoy about life...but homeless people...they shouldn't have to satiate their hunger. God should just make them not hungry. And what would atheists say even if this was the case? They'd just think it was the way things were -- some people have to eat and others don't.
     
  15. themnax

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    things we do not know do exist. how much any of them resemble any kind of a god, other then by nonphysical experiencing, is a matter of guesswork.
     
  16. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    indeed, it is an argument for such a "higher power" not being infallible. only that. there is no reason unseen things, or any sort of ultimate one, would have to be infallible to exist.
     

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