Does God Exist?

How the hell are you going to keep the LHC, whose primary function is to smash particles and observe subatomic particles and not ascribe to quantum mechanics? Lol

As I stated, you would need to get rid of all the technology and all the accumulated knowledge on quantum physics over the past century for Quantum Physics to be discarded.

Quantum Mechanics is here to stay anything short of monumental destruction or suppression of information or space aliens.

 

yes, just like in any science, there are many topics.

medicine is also not a single theory.

astronomy is also not a single theory.

evolution is also not a single theory.

quantum mechanics is also a body of theories which involve the physics of particles at an atomic scale. they run actual tests and experiments in this field just like in any other science to validate what they are talking about. that means they run tests on things like "virtual particles" to try and detect/study them.

 

E is energy, you are just bundle of obvious facts aren't you?

Perhaps you should go talk to someone who has your "blind faith" in "science".

 

It exists physically as a symbol, obviously. It manifests physically as human activity associated with an idea. It is by etymological definition that which we invoke.

 

Do unicorns obviously exists by that same token?

 

I don't know how token it is but certainly that is a level of physical manifestation. You could say unicorns physically exist in art for example. The greeks were scrupulous and refined in portraying gods in sculpture. It is obvious to me that without mans power to conceive, it is moot whether anything at all exists.

The real argument about the existence of god starts when the definition of the word has no mutually observable or well defined characteristics.

 

I presume that when most people assert something exists, whether it be God or Aliens or what have you, they are suggesting an autonomous existence independent of the human imagination and whatever medium human's choose to represent said questionable existing entities.

I figure the thewriter would have clarified "God obviously exists in texts such as the bible" if that was where thewriter was coming from.

 

whatever dude, watch that movie, you'll thank me later

 

You really don't know what quantum mechanics is do you? Quantum mechanics is merely an attempt to model reality it is not reality itself. The things that result from LHC is the reality that quantum mechanics is meant to model and the LHC experiments could be conducted with or without quantum mechanics.

No, you wouldn't. As I've said quantum mechanics is based on the accumulated knowledge, not the other way around.

Really? Your "blind faith" in quantum mechanics is truly impressive.

 

Doggies you're condescending.

 

Why? Do you want me to explain it to you?

 

Here's a definition:

A collosal particle accelator like the LHC would not be built if there were no knowledge of subatomic particles or understanding of nanoscopic scales.

It's pretty simple to grasp...I am going to assume that you're just arguing to cause commotion at this point.

Man, you obviously have terrible memory retention. I stated, in response to you earlier, I'm not comfortable with aspects of Quantum Mechanics either.

 

The unicorn and God are a little different. We can establish that both exist symbolically, but we can't establish that both exist only symbolically. We know what the unicorn is and know it can't exist literally by its parameters. God on the other hand has no such parameters.

There is to be defined "as" and to be defined "by." As everything is defined by something, and that something exists, I would tend to concur that God exists. The only question is if God exists as something more than a concept.

 

I say this, imagine yourself with the ability to create things, set things in motion. What would you do?

 

Thanx for the definition but that does not change the fact that it is merely a model of reality and not reality itself, it can be a good model or a bad one but it is only a model and as such may be replaced with a better model.

Not even to obtain such knowledge of subatomic particles or understanding of nanoscopic scales?

Yes it is, so why are you having problems with it? I made a simple statement that one day quantum mechanics could be replaced, not that it would be replaced but that it could and you seem to be having problems with that simple statement.

It seems I remember it better than you, you are the one that is defending quantum mechanics to the death, not me and all because I said that this theory that you are "not comfortable with" could one day be replaced with a better one.

 

^ Nope, could was not part of your assertions I responded to initially... We're starting to get bogged down with semantics which is of no interest to me here, so I'll repost your assertion and the first paragraph of my response and let it stand:

 

Regardless what has been presumed about or by most people, it is not possible to actually speak of anything independent of our own imagination, that is you cannot take the contribution of the conscious self out of the equation of communication. I didn't figure theWriter needed to posit an example because I already crossed the threshold of having the word staring me in the face. I am not interested in what people believe about this and that and am more interested in things we can definitely say about any subject. We start with the nearest and most obvious thing and build on it incrementally any other substantial observations we can find. So I say the answer to the question does god exist must be first yes based on the most local present and obvious observation that it exists as a word. Once you have answered that question then any further discourse would necessarily be focused on what we can legitimately say about it beyond that. We would be including at that point the qualities and effects of words in general on human experience.

 

^ That's superflous, I am interested in thewriter's response to their assertion.

 

Superfluous maybe to your interest but germane to question does god exist and also what might be obvious about it in general. Just because I quote you doesn't mean my response is about you.

 

If the response is not directed to me, for the sake of clarification, do not quote me and use the language posed in the question.

Chances are, if I quote someone else, the question is not directed at you.