Does God Exist?

That they, any everyone around them will be like gods. Using thier freewill for good and bad and having a choice in doing so.

 

For future videos, try the copy url link and then remove the s in https.

In response to the videos, I think Cosmic Address would be a useful approach in discussing the concept of God(s) to be on the same page in what we are discussing. Because the subject "God" often sways from Autonomous All-Powerful Sentient Creator of the universe to just an idea in the mind.

I had trouble following some of the nuances of Wilber's system, for instance I do not really follow how a highly religious person and a strong atheist can have similar spiritual intelligence, if this system claims to have any type of authenticity beyond how an individual rationalizes their connection with metaphysical ideas.

 

dont contemplate what will happen if you eat magical fruit. contemplate the existence of a talking snake and the magical fruit.

 

My favorite part is your carefully crafted retort to his argument, I found it very persuasive. All hail Yawheh.

 

Hallelu Jah (rastafari, or for funny atheists: pastafari. Be sure the pasta is hallal, Writer. Consistency is everything )

 

No, I do not believe in any form of deity as sentient agent, and the gods and prophets thus far created by the imagination of man seem to me ludicrous. It's not a topic I care to argue -- I lost patience for that long, long ago. I've never even wanted to convince a bleever that his or her chosen dogma is wrong, and have never appreciated it when some religious zealot sought to convert me.

 

What argument?

When he comes up with one I'll "retort" to it.

Personally I can't believe you even thought he had an argument.

 

Terrible OWB, just terrible.

 

In the first two minutes of the video he presents his argument, that religious people argue for their beliefs in only three ways:

1) Religion is true

2) Religion is useful

3) Atheism is another religion

He then spends the rest of the video refuting all three.

1) Even if we knew for sure (which we don't) that one religion was true, if we don't know which one it is, due to the bewildering array of incompatible belief systems on offer, every believer should expect damnation purely as a matter of statistics, and this should give religious people pause, though it never does.

2) Religion does not bring anything to the table that cannot be gotten from secular systems of thought (morality, politics, spirituality, mythology)

3) Atheism is a religion the same way that non-tennis playing is a sport



So that's his argument in a nutshell, it's sad that I had to spoon-feed it to you like this, but you're the one who is consistently lowering the quality of discussion here. So now that i've broken it down into terms a high school student could understand, perhaps a wise and venerated teacher of the words of god such as yourself can actually approach it now.

You're welcome.

 

Why? Because I told the truth? The video is drivel that does not even deserve a response.

 

God's have lied more times than the total number of theists that have ever existed.

But that they themselves are a God,
This is actually true, to the point that God's only ever exist in their heads.

 

That's not what the bible says

 

There's some kind of contradiction here. If god(s) only exist in the heads of theists then they (the god(s)) of course haven't lied themselves (as they are fictional) You depict it like that because if there is a god you would perceive It as bad or mad or evil. But if they only exist in the heads of theists as a concept or as (part of) themselves, than they have not lied more than theists

 

It's called lying to yourself.
Gods are convolutions of many egotistical selfish lies and denials.

 

Kind of like my offer to you to worship Sathya Sai Baba never got a response? The man who has literally tens of thousands of living eyewitnesses who can attest to the miracles he has performed?

This is just one of many arguments you are unwilling to face, and it's sadly obvious this is because you are a closed-minded dogmatic shill who is not at all in fact interested in what is true, and what is good.

sam harris has more wisdom, intelligence, sense and culture in his pinky finger than your entire opus of posts on this forum has ever come close to demonstrating.

Shame on you for being such a grown ass child.

 

Agreed, in those cases it actually applies. So when you said Gods have lied more times than theists you were twisting it a bit to suit your argument.

 

Cool, the shame game. How enlightened.

 

I can't believe I'm even responding to this nonsense but there seems to be some who will believe anything.

Okay let's assume that the video even closely resembles this.

Again this assumes that some actual refutation takes place.

Perhaps you are unsure and bewildered but there are many who are not and understand the reasons for what appears you as bewildering uncertainty.

As for "damnation", those who believe in the true religion know that even for unbelievers there is no "damnation.

Well one thing that cannot be gotten from "secular systems of thought" is knowledge of God and his purposes.

This is probably the worst illustration I have ever heard.

A sport is a competition between two or more groups of people thus "non-tennis playing" or non-completion is not a sport but religion is a belief system and since Atheism is also a belief system, atheism could be considered a religion.

So your " illustration " tends fall apart very quickly.

Personally I don’t believe Atheism is a religion but I know that many atheists tend to act like it is.

Thank you for making it even plainer for me that the video is drivel.