Does Religion Make You a Better Person?

To say this is mainly a thing nonreligious people do is wrong. I see both kinds of people do that. Happily there are a lot of exceptions as well :sunny:

I see this too. They don't know shit and can't disconnect things from eachother. So if members of a certain church did something atrocious all other members must be devious too. If people never pay attention to a religion and the religion gets in the news because of child abuse issues they connect the words catholic church automatically with pedo's.
Other way around is common too: some very religious people can't understand the motives of a nontheist at all and condemn them out of ignorance and lack of understanding.

Not about beliefs I agree. Were 2 parties fight, 2 parties are guilty :mickey:

 

Religion makes you a better person where it counts the most,
in your head.

Happy Happy Happy,
say a prayer for us pappy Phil.

 

10's of thousands of cases of abuse woldwide, mounting evidence that this is a massive serious problem,and it's been swept under the carpet by the Church itself. Priests have been moved from parish to parish without any notification to the authorities above them, or they have been notified, bishops have been notified, but they have asked the notifier to keep silent. And with the Vatican more concerned with avoiding scandal than addressing clergy child abuse, refusing to cooperate with law enforcement what the hell are people supposed to think? Seems like every day in my state alone, people are coming forward to testify to the horrible abuse at the hands of nuns and priests. Fuck the catholic church.

Catholics wake the fuck up, you are supporting worldwide institutional child abuse.

So I guess I'm bad for speaking out against religion huh? Bite me!
(Edit) this last comment was for gina, not you asmo.

 

That issue certainly deserves to be criticized (and more of course)! But to condemn every follower, priest, part of catholic (or any organized) religion because of it, as I often see people do, is pretty much retarded simplifying.
It is the stigmatisation and intolerance for the other party (often due to lack of understanding) that is the problem. This is obviously done by both sides.

A catholic should not have to leave their religion because certain priests have perverted it. I can imagine some would when it became apparent the church leaders rather cover it up instead of fully acknowledge the issue and helping the victims as good as they can but I can also understand they do not affiliate themselves with those faulty leaders and practises and that they regard their religion as holy as ever, feeling just as sad and angry about all that as the average nontheist.

 

So the question to me still remains what makes a better person? Where does one turn to guidance for progressing in the over-all Progress of this world. Maybe it's a rat race. Just the same the Progress should not leave people behind and deluded in their lives by unfulfiilment. I'm a humanist and the whole man has no justification for concluding one man more privileged than another. Religions do raise this question into a worth of concrete responsibility.

 

Good intent makes a better person. It is not limited to a religious or nonreligious person.

 

Good God, that is political. Who knows this? I wish you good luck.

 

With what? It's not political (or ment politically correct if that's what you mean) at all by the way. It seems simply reality to me.

 

Isn't there a saying "the path to hell is paved with good intentions" lol

 

It doesn't have to make a good person (often subjective anyway), it makes a better person Now it has to be measured if the person's improvement was good enough (jk) But seriously, although the saying has it's use for sure, hell is not a concern for me anyway.

 

Almost for inauthentic behaviour, but the situation you are in does have to do with hell. Do you know who I am, or me you? As far as politically correct is concerned there is, for instance, the two state solution for Israel involved in all of this debate because it is on the internet. Israel has good intention to fight for the two state solution and that is the same as Israel's so-called right to exist.:cowboy:

 

You lost me there unfortunately.

 

Asmodean, where are you from, Mars? There is a real Situation invited to debate about.

 

No.... I only lived on Mars for a few months.

 

When I was younger I had a chance to explore the Catholic religion because I was interested in it just because my best friend was Catholic.
This is the part that's interesting.
There wasn't many schools around where I lived so my parents chose to put us in a catholic high school, we were there for two years. I was doing really good in school then and because it was noted and I showed an interest in the religion, hanging out with my friend in the church and all, the father let me go help with some funerals. I was the cross barrer. She brought the communion and we had the alter boys,,,
It was a thrill in one way and yet kind of spooky but I loved hanging out with the families after at the wakes telling moms and families my heart was with them and such, nibbling on some awesome foods while there. Families loved us being involved and if you were up on your marks they let you do this and be out of class for an afternoon. After my first I was hooked.
While we waited sometimes for things to start we snuck around the tunnels under the church that led to the nun's quarters and back through to our school building, a place many would never go but they let us because they all knew us.
We also snuck in behind the church and seen the men's living area and once The father we knew really well let us see his room. It was a small bedroom neat and tidy with a small private bathroom and that was about it, he led us to the kitchen area and a nun offered us tea and biscuits and she left. We talked to the father and one of my questions was why can't you get married?
My mom and dad were still doing the thing,,, we heard it,,, so I am not stupid. Already found dads magazines and read em all.
The answer was we don't need to be married, we marry ourselves to the church and yada yada,,, my next question was How to you do what a man and wife do then? We don't need to, yada yada,,,
K this isn't going over well. I started to believe they mingled in the night once we couldn't be looking. That tunnel now had me thinking funny things,,,
It's now, many years later we are seeing court cases of boys being abused, why hardly any girls I don't know but lots of schools with the boys thing having happened,,, and yup!,,, my school is on that list. Me and my friend were probably never at risk (being girls) and it may have been a long time before I was there but it creeps me out to think we wandered those tunnels (not just the one leading to the nun's area) and some boys may have been abused in that place. This does surprise me because I really didn't think that back then but I did think something between the women and men had to be happening. Now that wouldn't have bothered me, the abuse to kids thing makes me sad but also glad that after a few flaws were spotted by me I didn't keep an interest in it, woulda made me feel like a fool now for being a part of it.
Nope! The religion isn't at fault probably but their ideas were. In other religions those preaching can have a normal life with family. And I don't care who you are,,, no one can avoid the feeling of need, it's natural and it doesn't disappear because you lead others down a clean path.
Now here is another I spotted,,, man and woman failing in their marriage,,, can't just get divorced according to the church, (might be different now) who councils them? The very ones who could never get married and have No clue what it's like to be married to a partner and what all can happen and what it would take to fix or end it right. Just two things I found funny when I was young,,, many many more I won't go into but it was enough for me to tell my mom and dad I wasn't going to go that way.
They Dedicated us to the united church rather then baptizing us so we could choose something our selves and encouraged us to find something we liked while we were growing up and yes they did send us to Sunday school when we were really young.
I never did find a religion I could Fully believe in, to me it was about forking over money and running one mans path even if we didn't like Everything about it. Someone tried to encourage me to become a Mormon, yup, ya gotta install 10% of your wages to their church,,, first thing that made me back away fast.
Religion should not be about telling people what to do but encouraging paths that open doors to paths that make us better.
I did learn lots about the bible seeking my path in many religions and finally I decided in the end it's all about being good to your fellow man and not stealing. Support those who are down. Take care of your family and one big one is don't push people around, let everyone be themselves and encourage your good behavior on them,,, let them decide. I say Hi to strangers, offer an open door and smile at strangers and they look at me funny sometimes, it's a hoot.

 

Come on a George Bush supporter until he met the iraqis on the ship in the Persian Gulf to declare their unofficial surrender. It even took longer to catch Saddam Hussein. Mars, the God of War.

 

Knesset rejects 'Two-State Solution Bill'

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Knesset-rejects-Two-State-Solution-Bill-337488
The bill, proposed by MK Hilik Bar (Labor), would have allowed land in the West Bank or Gaza to be annexed only as part of a peace treaty leading to two states.


“You are reaching a moment of truth, in which you have to look in the mirror of history and realize that we need to separate from the Palestinians,” opposition leader Isaac Herzog (Labor) said to the coalition. “If you don’t take this opportunity now, history will judge you, because we will become an isolated, binational state.”


Herzog called for coalition MKs to “overcome narrow political interests and don’t make promises you know you can’t keep. If you don’t face the historic challenge, we will replace you and do it ourselves,” he added.


Despite Herzog’s warnings, the bill was voted down with 44 opposed, including MKs from Hatnua and Yesh Atid, and 25 in favor."

 

Well sorry man, but I thought I already was debating about real things. But I didn't get where you want to go with that post. The reason I said hell is not a concern of mine is of course because I don't believe there is one.

 

Do not feed the troll!

 

i don't see or understand the relationship between this and the topic question of this thread. not meaning to be critical of either, but i'm sorry, i just don't.

i also don't see either as being specific to christianity (nor would i likely have replied to it if i did)