Does the USA have a responsibility to help the Iraqis?

i think he disagrees.

 

Sure we do. It just didn't apply to that particular exchange.

 

Indie

OH hell man we have been through this at length and in detail and you know your economic ideas collapse under the weight of the unaddressed criticisms after only the smallest examination.

Unanswered criticisms that seem to show that this ‘free market’ thinking rather than solving problems would make bad situations worse while giving wealth much greater power and influence.

Again I ask - why do you hold onto ideas that you seem totally incapable of defending in any rational or reasonable way.

 

Think of some parents that bring up their child badly, even abusively, then when the child says ‘fuck you’ and runs away at 16 and gets into trouble with the police the parents turn around and say ‘we have no responsibility for the child’s actions, it is independent of us now and nothing it does has anything to do with us’

And because these parents feel no responsibility, no blame, they never learn from their mistakes and what happened is they bring up their next child in the same bad and abusive manner, with often the same tragic results to the child’s life.

To many this is what the US has done in Latin America, Vietnam, Iran, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

And because it doesn’t take any responsibility it never seems to learn from its mistakes.

 

well i will agree that america should stop having kids but that dosnt solve the problem going on in iraq right now.

 

Meh, give it time.

You cant really compare Iraq and Afghanistan, there isnt really anything of value in Afghanistan, well besides poppyseeds

Whereas Iraq, how long do you think powerbrokers in that region are going to let what is their version of hillbilly thugs control everything. US not committed at the moment cos they know whats going to happen next

 

What do you think is going to happen next?

 

What happens if the parents don't think they brought up their child badly.
The child didn't run away, but moved away of their own free will - with optimism and determination to succeed.
Instead of 'Fuck You' the child said: 'Thank You, but I want to stand on my own two feet'.

Giving a / or the child having independence from their parents doesn't mean the parent won't help if asked.

I notice you chose 16 rather than 18.
Do you think Iraq will be perpetually 16 and never turn 18?

Why don't you just say: 'To me'?

 

Odon

Ok present your argument.

I’ve posted at length in the forum about what I and others see as being foreign policy mistakes by the US when ideology and what was thought of as American self interest have resulted in bad outcomes for the countries involved and the people of those counties.

A number of latin American countries, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq.

Some further reading -

Read Heat: Conspiracy, murder and the cold war in the Caribbean
http://www.amazon.com/Red-Heat-Conspiracy-Murder-Caribbean/dp/B008SM4KH6"]Red Heat: Conspiracy, Murder, and the Cold War in the Caribbean: Alex Von Tunzelmann: Amazon.com: Books

All the Shah’s Men: An American Coup and the roots of Middle East Terror
http://www.amazon.co.uk/All-Shahs-Men-American-Middle/dp/047018549X"]All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror: Amazon.co.uk: Stephen Kinzer: Books

Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Baghdad's Green Zone
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Imperial-Life-Emerald-City-Baghdads-ebook/dp/B0034C8LZC"]Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Baghdad's Green Zone eBook: Rajiv Chandrasekaran: Amazon.co.uk: Kindle Store

 

Not really true. Afghanistan seems to have lots of raw resources.

 

i really do love my afghan rug!

 

Persian (iranian) rugs is where it's at dude!

I like those typical afghan coats.

 

I already did.

 

America should hide under it's bed after the iraq fiasco which is ongoing. We need to repent and apologize for the millions that have died. We truly shamed ourselves and should feel extremely sorry that we allowed a ruthless regime and congress cause us to go to war against innocent people. What goes around comes around too and america's on the verge of economic collapse. And we're going to get what's coming you better believe it.

 

They didn't. Are you missing where the Iraqi government are asking the US to come help them out? It's a small point, but an important one. Or is the Iraqi government the 'ruthless regime'?

 

You mean our puppet government wants us to come bail them out? come on..

 

This makes no sense.

No, not you.

Do you mean: You mean their puppet government wants us to come bail them out?

Do you think the US should help or not?

You have not really answered the initial question.

You didn't answer my question, either : Are you missing where the Iraqi government are asking the US to come help them out?

Think it over. Make some sense. Then post. Imho.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii6DA19ieKU"]Dick Cheney :ISIS Will Nuke US - YouTube

 

No we shouldn't "help" them with any more love bombs. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

 

Not really.