Does this ever happen to you hippies?

We passed sustainability about 5 billion people ago.

Ignoring that though... tell me, what is your solution for the expanding population needing more land? Save the trees, kill the babies??

Yes, there are many things that are done for the wrong reasons, but that wasnt the subject being discussed here. It was the issue of a single tree being cut down making overly sensitive people cry.

 

Shoot 'em into space!


I volunteer to go to Mars.

 

That doesn't mean that we simply say, ok there are more people wanting to live here, lets keep destroying nature to accommodate.

That seems to be the easy option, particularly in the UK - the easy option is not the only way.

What happens then when we have chopped down all the trees and eveything is residential - people will still move to the areas, people will still have babies - but there won't be anywhere to destroy and build on - so we are abck to square one. The best way is to deal with possible solutions now to prevent that happening.

I wasn't trying to make that the point of discussion - I was responding to a point and explaining my reasoning and why I don't agree with it.

So we have different opinions about this - I am entitled to my own view, no need to go on at me.

 

I find it hard to disagree with you there. :biggrin:

 

Why shouldn't trees feel pain?


How would you like it if someone chopped through your ankles?


And don't tell me its different.


Trees are just as alive as you are.


Except that you can run away if you see someone coming at you brandishing a chainsaw.

 

I still would like to know what your solution is to the ever expanding population needing more room.

Saying, "what you are doing is wrong and you should stop" means nothing unless you have a solution to offer.

Take your pick;

Kill a large segment of the population.
Forced Sterilization of the general populace.
Kill babies as they are born.


Any other solution, uses up the natural resources.

Shooting them into space (yes I realize it was a glib answer), doesnt work either for two basic reasons.

1) we dont have the technology yet to do so
2) shooting 5 billion people into space will cause so much damage to the atmosphere that everyone left will die anyway.

Building up higher?

More resources will be needed which means more raping of the planet.

Build lower?

Same as higher, plus the added damage done to the very crust of the planet.

I hope you are smarter then me and have a solution... and would love to hear it....

 

But they don't have a nervous system. They don't feel pain, nor do they feel relief when you spare their lives. Trees don't mourn their dead.

A tree is as alive as I am. But it isn't more magical than a potato. Which also don't have feelings.

 

How can you say trees don't feel pain?


Are you a tree?

 

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No, I'm an adult with a very basic education in biology.

 

Trees get in my way when I'm driving, plus birds live in them, I don't like birds, they shit all over everything..

Peace

 

You don't know how Bessy feels!

 

Feels absolutely nothing now... I cut her down and burnt her months ago

 

Well, I also asked what will happen when there is no space left - you didn't give an answer to that! Will people just make the lower classes live in slums to provide space to build new and better buildings?

I do not have all the answers to everything, no one person can, but that doesn't me from having the beliefs I have. Throughout history people have been born and people die - still somehow they managed it! I don't know how you can justify killing nature for that reason.

People are greedy, what they have is never good enough and a lot of deforestation is financial - you can make more money through buildings than you can through wood.

But, countries have done things - China for example has the one child policy, because there was just too many people for the space they had - yet there is still natural land left untouched in China. Australia make it much more difficult for people to move over there - reducing the number of people permantly in the country which means reduing the need to destroy nature to accommodate them.

 

That's true in theory, yes trees are alive, but there is no real way of telling that they feel pain in the way I would if someone chopped through my ankles. Don't get me wrong, I would prefer it if trees were left alone and I hate the fact that they do get cut down daily, However there is a difference to a tree being killed, to a person being killed. I am not saying that trees are not alive - of course they are.

I spend a lot of my time outdoors and it would be awful if there was no nature left, but I do not belive that a tree can feel pain - they are not alive in the sense that you and I are.

 

good man!

 

how can you say they do feel pain.

are you an idiot?



on a more slightly serious note, plenty of research has been done on which parts of people and animals allow them to feel pain. as it turns out, trees don't have those parts.

 

I once blazed some nugs laced with wet, and I thouth I was a tree. I really believed I was a tree.

 

BTW, at the time I felt no pain, ergo trees feel no pain.

 

My point exactly.

If it was proved that they feel pain, then I'll take that back and apologise personally.