Domestic Violence....

So "Father's Rights" groups are really men's rights groups?!?!?! I think father's rights groups exist because the legal system is against fathers and fathers want more rights. This assertion that they're fronts for men who believe in incest and pedophilia comes from the fact that many of these men have been FALSELY accused of these crimes by their bitter, vindictive ex-. Perhaps there are some who are using these groups for their own vile reasons, but fathers who want more rights are not pedophiles. Remember, many, many men are falsely accused of sexually molesting their children because the women knows that this is a sure way to guarentee sole custody of "her" children.

 

i think women are beautiful sacred beings... and doing any harm to them is just absured(spelling?) and just without reason

 

Blessings, WarfRat.

Much wisdom for one so young.

Blessings,

Maggie

 

You know, maybe you should take a look at some of the guy's other posts before you praise him for having "much wisdom for one so young." LMFAO.

It gets me how you'll try to curry favour with people in order to make yourself look tolerant and accepting. But you're not fooling anyone but yourself by doing this.

Incidently, don't you find it a little problematic that women, despite wanting to be treated "equally," still like to hold onto outdated patriarchal notions of their "sacredness"? I think if we're going to treat each other equally, then one sex shouldn't be going around considering themselves "sacred". Don't you?

 

That's really sweet

 

"Every week a woman in Atlanta has been murdered by an abusive boyfriend, husband, ex-lover."

iiaajmn, how many men do you think are murdered every week by an abusive girlfriend, wife, or ex lover?

I'm NOT saying that the problem doesn't exist, but I don't think that it happens as often or as brutally as you would have us think. I know plenty of men who have shitty girlfriends/wives that throw shit at them, hit them, and so on, but i RARELY ever hear of a woman beating her husband/boyfriend to the point of hospitalization or death, and I've never seen it. I'm sure it happens, but not as often as it happens with women. My ex's mother was in a coma for 2 days once after her ex kidnapped and beat her, and my current boyfriends mother can't hear or breathe properly from one side of her head because her ex stomped on her head several times. I've known many other women who've had their teeth knocked out, had to recieve stitches or even been killed due to their abusive boyfriends. Of all the guys I've known with abusive girlfriends, the worst I've seen on them is a bruise or two.

Like I said, I'm not trying to say there ISN"T a problem, but it sounds as if you're trying to downplay the situation by saying, "well, girls hit guys sometimes too."

 

No, I'm not trying to downplay it at all--well, of course it's going to look like it though if one buys into the hysteria that feminists promote with this issue.

What I'm concerned about is the TRUTH. And I think that the fact that feminists ignore the physical and psychological abuse that men experience, and overblow that which women experience, is what really "downplay the situation".

I've never said that the abuse that women experience is not bad, tragic and should not be stopped. I just want the whole issue to be addressed.

Because ALL violence is bad.

It just does not help the situation when people like Maggie Sugar or sugrmag make outrageous claims of the "epidemic" of murdered pregnant women, post distorted, one-sided domestic-violence statistics from feminist sources. Because the truth of the matter is, that:

In Canada in the year 2000, according to Statistics Canada:

*3/4 of homicide victims were MALE

*out of 400 solved homicides, 51 husbands (including seperated and divorced) were accused of murdering their spouse. That means, out of a female population of about 15,000,000, only fifty-one women were supposedly murdered by their (ex-) spouse.

*most homicides in Canada are perpetrated by non-family members, most being casual acquiantances. Most perps and victims have prior criminal records. Many of the homicides are due to gang-violence or criminal activity.

 

In case you haven't realized, this is a WOMEN'S ISSUES forum and a thread about DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. Not a thread about how most homicide is gang/criminal. Not saying that isn't an issue, but NOT for this thread.

 

There is no hysteria over the issue. But there is an issue, and we should be able to talk about women being abused in a woman's forum without you trying to undermine what many women have to suffer through.

The only one implying that we think all men are these horrible, violent, malicious characters is you. You seem to assume that we think just that, then get all upset at us and hijack each thread to go about proving how men are not as bad as you seem to assume that we think they are.

But we don't have to talk about what men have to go through just to discuss an issue that women have.

So please stop hijacking our threads. And please stop trying to downplay what women have had to suffer just because men have to suffer things too. Women have come thorugh, and are still coming though, plenty of oppression and we would like a place where we can talk about it. About OUR specific issues. That's why this forum is so aptly names WOMEN'S ISSUES

 

Hear hear, Sera!!!!

 

Why isn't it relevant to this thread? All I'm saying is that most murders are crime related, not due to domestic violence.

 

Yes there is hysteria over the issue. All you have to do is look at just about any feminist publication about the issue to see that there's just so much hyperbole involved.

No, I'm not assuming anything. It's very evident by what feminists write, or don't write about, what their beliefs are. If they didn't believe these things, they wouldn't write them. It's as simple as that. I posted a link to a feminist organization that down-played and excused violence against men. It's there for you to read, if you can. And I never said all women think that men are horrible, etc.

I'm neither hijacking or downplaying anything. I think if you would actually care to read and understand what I write, you'll realize that I'm not downplaying anything at all. I'm trying to be objective and put things in proper perspective.

That's the thing, domestic violence is not "your" issue--not at all. It's a problem that everyone needs to be aware of, and that needs to be discussed truthfully and honestly.

 

Have a look at the history of his posts. Everything is associated with some feminist plot according to him. Well those that aren’t must be part of the gay agenda but the feminists are behind that too in his small version of reality. His typical message is regurgitating some blather cooked up by right wing religious zealots. I really pity him he must be such a sad little man.

 

You know, I can't stand religious "zealots" so I've never watched or read anything by them.

As for a feminist "plot"--I don't think that I've ever argued that there's a plot. I just read what they write and draw conclusions from that.