Donald Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newo, Aug 21, 2015.

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  1. Flagme15

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    What the fuck does that have to do with what I said?

    Dude, you seem to go off on several different tangents.
     
  2. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    It's relevant, you just don't realize it. Maybe read it again, your post I quoted and some of the posts before that.
     
  3. monkjr

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    No private people's life's aren't part of their job.

    They remain separate unless it can be proven professional job talk or info exchanged during coitus or personal time.

    Ex: why former general David patreus got in deep trouble and had to resign.

    Why secret service agents got in trouble for sleeping with columbian whores.
     
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  4. Karen_J

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    Trump has been married more than once, and has surely been with a few other women over the years. If he really wants to get deep into the subject of sex, I'm sure the media can dig up some interesting dirt on him.
     
  5. AceK

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    I could care less about Trump's sex life.
     
  6. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    To an extent though a lot of people like Trump because he's morally honest.

    He taps into a psyche that no longer cares to expend energy into digesting the moral consequences of things.

    He and his supporters only see action, and response, and shun all complex counters or criticism about domino effects.

    In fact the anger of his supporters, sees the broad concept of dialogue and debate as the cause for gridlock in high government like Congress.

    At a certain point the masses shut down and become politically apathetic (my fellow hipforumers here indicate political apathy to the point where they don't vote) OR the ones that remain vocal inadvertently push the country toward such instability that the nation transitions from democracy into an empire/dictatorship/monarchy.

    This happened to Rome, and it is in the beginning stages here in the USA.

    If political progress is stalemated on as many issues as it is both infrastructurally and socially I don't see the general populace caring about the grand scheme of what is morally right and wrong anymore. They will think or delude themselves in words that what they are doing is ethically right, but really their brains only seek emotionally cathartic stress relieve.

    The dark side unfortunately is the easy way for such a cathartic release of stress because it's clean and clear cut.

    Example is that you do this everytime you experience road rage.

    The same phenomena is occurring now only in a political context.

    Perhaps this is my zen wisdom of the situation here not just of Trump but of the world as a whole specifically human nature....but I picked this name for a reason as I know human nature fairly well I think.

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    I will go so far as to say the founding fathers of this country made a grave error in how they attributed the measurement of worth and value.

    It places too much emphasis on the ideas of growth economically at the expense of what really makes a society stable.

    What makes society's stable in the long long long term is not just the political process, but control over core resources of a country's infrastructure.

    We're talking basics. Food, shelter, land management, water, basic healthcare, and keeping families together.

    Communities should operate in a cellular like structure that communicates to other local communities that also operate like cells to share information and resources as an overall centralized nation, but more secure in a way, scalable.

    If any issue hits an issue of infrastructure it should be treated differently in how it's discourse occurs politically. Meaning it's off the table for gridlock discussions or votes and cannot be used as political leverage on other subjects, aka: no earmarks etc.

    Social issues like abortion would be tier two, and less sacred because their ripple effects on whatever is decided have less of an infrastructural consequence and more isolated to the individual. Pain of a bad choice is isolated to a personal level, not the whole.

    Transitions in technology relating to infrastructure should be subsidized but used to wean rough patches economically and should get wealthy individuals out of the habit of bleeding an economic sector/industry dry before transitioning to what is new. Part of the lack of transitioning off oil is due to addiction to the familiar. This is a flaw the constitution does not correct for.

    It is in my view a fatal flaw the founders missed.
     
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  7. AceK

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  8. monkjr

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    I read it.

    And I paraphrasing I said The Founders did the best they could for their time. Certainly their thirst for knowledge and the rate at which they read knowledgable content rich and logic rich books is to be envied.

    The difference now is that now the populace CAN be well read, but now chooses to watch TV (including the Simpsons btw), in terms of the younger generation they go online and do YOLO culture things of hedonism which has little merit to longevity of social societal structure, albeit some are exceptions and are politically active.

    Then you got the older generations who are cynical ranging from 25+ to 80+ with varying degrees of cynicism but tend to be more worldly and organized on how to get things done, albeit they dance around moral areas better because they know how to flex. But larger and larger groups here are also beaten down, and now just want to crawl in their nest egg retire, and pass on.

    Unless your wealthy, or famous then you can make big ripples, but even then most don't because many celebrities lack the education to articulately explain WHY we have social ills where they come from, and what to do about it.

    The best they do is point out a problem, make us donate due to pathos, and then abandon us.

    Those entering politics have to resist old doctrines of political patterned thought, and completely banish social Darwinist concepts from politics.

    But that doesn't happen save for a few individuals because all were raised probably in elite circles and fed the same psychological crap the former generation believed in compounded by personal agendas and only vague ideas and a sense of "oh I'm gonna change things since I'm the newbie".
     
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  9. monkjr

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    I've also entertained the idea of a dual currency system.

    Basically a currency or bartering system solely for the purposes of infrastructure issues to get those funded and sustained, separate from currencies used to buy things of a luxurious lifestyle.

    This would serve the purpose of those in the elite not having compatible currency that could be then misused for purposes other than the public good, as that secondary currency would be invalid and useless on whatever version of the free market that exists elsewhere.

    The basics are the basics, if you want more than those individuals are motivated to move up.

    But imagine the stress relief in households on families that at least have the basics met as guaranteed as possible.

    This would also make commodities have less drastic devastation on other areas of growth and economic contraction in other sectors that might not use the special currency at all.

    And it would allow surpluses of the material to exist and be produced just to have on hand since the physical material itself has intrinsic worth due to it's utility, and worth to social stability and peace.
     
  10. AceK

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    Are you sure that it was him and not just a close lookalike? If so, that'd be a pretty rare occurrence. That being said I've ran into quite a few strangers that swore they knew me or had seen me before, because I looked "just like someone else", and had to explain that no, "I'm not the person you think".
     
  11. Moonglow181

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    Yes, it was him......and I was coming out of a Broadway play and was not looking....secret service were around him too....even then.
     
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  12. AceK

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    Yes, they were extremely intelligent individuals, Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine et al were great geniuses. It's worth noting that the founding father's didn't come from backgrounds of homogeneity. As smart as they were, no man is infallible or incapable of mistakes. No one living in the Victorian era of the time could be reasonably expected to predict just what things would be like in the 21st century, and the downstream effects of certain things, which largely follows a chaotic development of effects, like the turbulent eddy currents of water flowing in a stream.

    --Lewis F. Richardson
     
  13. soulcompromise

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    He has a new advertisement:

    The ad echoes words from the past about a wall for the U.S./Mexico border, and banning Muslims from entering the country.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump%E2%80%99s-provocative-first-tv-ad-raises-the-temperature-of-gop-race/ar-AAgjncp?li=BBnb7Kz
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trumps-provocative-first-tv-ad-raises-the-temperature-of-gop-race/2016/01/03/873cceb8-b243-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

     
  14. newo

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  15. iamjustme

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    Support? I didn't say support...they helped create ISIS.
     
  16. monkjr

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    Yet acknowledging that it feels their work and theories keep being used as infallible references everytime certain political topics get brought up.
     
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  17. 6-eyed shaman

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    Airplane banner from high in the sky. :D
    Idiot designers need to kern their letters better.
     
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    butt rump.. lol.
     
  19. monkjr

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    Man oh man, I say we go full throttle and really just turn off political correctness and let our inner kindergartener social skills come out and make toilet humor all over this campaign season, since ya know, it's become reality TV anyway.

    Entertainments the game, substance has shame.
     
  20. Asmodean

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    Don't stop there. You were asked to explain how they were involved in the creation process as well.
     
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