Donald Trump

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Well I guess that means the Clintons must be internalized sexists if they aren't doing anything to adjust the "wage gap" within their own foundation.

 

Did everybody hear that MSNBC is planning on saying Clinton clinched the nomination tomorrow while polling is still going on?

If she hadn't ruined her candidacy for me, the state media sure did the trick.

 

Unions have the same pay grade for all workers in each job catagory, regardless of crotch appearance.

( Fuck Trump, just in keeping with the thread.)

 

Nope, my position stays the same. Apparently sarcasm is hard to detect in text format. You are the one who believes in the wage gap. If the corporations you listed took care of the earnings differences in their organizations, why can't the Clintons? If the wage gap exists, this makes them mysogynist hypocrites, does it not?

 

I would be interested to see exactly how these organizations define gender income gap. Directly comparing average male and average female incomes for the same job descriptions isn't going to tell the whole story if their average experience at the same job level is not the same, and it almost never is.

To prove true parity, you have to graph experience versus pay and show that the lines for men and women closely track each other. Anything else is a false comparison.

 

In other words, the founding fathers were well aware of the arguments for slavery, pro and con and made their choice..................
................Which bespeaks of their character and moral qualities – they were shit


hotwater

 

Not a good assumption. Typically, the women will have fewer years of experience, often scattered with long breaks.

They did not have any options at that time.

But this has nothing to do with Donald Trump.

 

My argument is centered around the idea that America was never great.

That’s Trump's Bread and Butter. That’s his whole spiel

 

Getting back to the subject at hand, I think the wheels may start falling off the donnel.
I think all these republicans that endorsed him are having second thoughts.
Even Newt"Get Rich" Gingrich called him out.
Lol

 

MeAgain: I appreciate your method of discussion. That is, grabbing appropriate links to back yourself and your positions, often easily dispensing with specious claims and outright bullshit by some posters. I believe you deserve credit for the ways in which you respond.

My ancestor on my fathers side came over with Lafayette from France to help fight the British. And others fought on both sides of the Civil (?) war.

I'm beginning to think that this guy Trump is actually mentally deficient. Don't know what to think of those that think he is a rational being.

The republican party is now reaping what it has sown, lo these many years.

 

Scary. Recently, I had lunch in a streetcorner greasy spoon in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by Trump supporters. You know, when you're on the road, you have to eat wherever you can. I overheard them saying things like, "If them fuckers in the Supreme Court are right, and the Constitution really does give equal rights to women and niggers and wetbacks and fags, we just have to change it, or start over from scratch. We can't go on like this, or this country is toast." And you know all those guys will be voting in November.

GOP leaders are recently acting as if they are shocked to hear Trump speaking as a racist and bigot, about that judge. Hell, it's been the cornerstone of his campaign. Where have they been? And just how stupid do they think we are?

He's asked for a new judge two other times in the past, when the assigned judges on his cases were female and black.

Back when America was great: Code language for the days when women and minorities "knew their place", which was a big step down from the ruling class. His core supporters know what he means.

 

Can I pretend to be progressive too?

 

Newt is just acting all butt-hurt because Trump won't pick him as Vice.

 

A too positive or negative view of a country can be dangerous to clear thinking.

There are people in the UK that still refer to ‘Great’ Britain (its actually a geographical term not a honorific) and talk about when Britain ruled half the world, and this can colour the way they see the world today (eg voting Ukip and wanting out of the EU).

I’m anti-imperialist and look back on the British Empire often with horror and loathing (I mean do most Americans look back at the treatment of Native Americans and slaves with pride?)

Also the fruits of empire mainly went to a select few, not to the common people for them improvements came after the empire was basically gone (after WWII ‘we the people’ got the welfare state, NHS, public housing etc)

The thing is that countries are not inherently or universally ‘good’ or ‘bad’ and as I point out what is seen of as ‘great’ is subjective, was the British Empire great or a crime, was it a good thing for its people or bad? I lean more toward the latter someone like Niall Ferguson seems to lean the other way (try reading Empire about the British Empire and Colossus about the American one).

As MeAgain points out history is usually too complicated to fit into simple slogans.

So it is right to point out to someone who overly praises the founding father that many of them where slave owners but it is also right to point out that some of them had ambiguous feelings about the institution of slavery. Neither makes The United States of America ‘Great’ or ‘Despicable’ because the USA is a country which is made up of many people with many views.

So what the fuck does ‘Make America Great Again’ mean?

What ‘great’ bits have been lost?

It’s meaningless without explanation or context and Donald Trump isn’t a great source for either.