Donald Trump

Google is your friend Ja90.. :scholar:

 

If anyone is gonna cause me to break my streak of never voting for a major party candidate, and vote Donald Trump. It will be the anti-Trump protestors.




If someone uses Jim Crow era tactics of voter intimidation through threats and violence, I'm likely gonna support whatever it is you're against.

Anyone seen the recent violence to come from San Jose? They cornered a woman against a wall and pelted her with eggs, while another person got smashed upside the head and had blood running down his neck.

 

It hasn't been long ago that Trump was condoning violence against protesters inside his rallies.

 

Yes, but I don't understand why Bernie and/or Hillary supporters would go to a Trump rally wearing their candidate's colors and wave their signs around and campaign unless they are trying to start a fight, or shut down the event through force. Do they actually think they're gonna win over some new voters at a Trump rally? Really?

At least Vox is doing their part by firing their journalists for writing tweets like "If Trump comes to your town, start a riot!"

 

If we had any more pride, the rest of the world would collectively strangle us. Americans already think they're the shit. Though most of them don't know the specifics of why they're the shit. If anything the accomplishments of our forebears should be humbling, because yeah, we are in decline. And we don't have the balls to stand up to the oligarchy that is destroying everything America is supposed to stand for.

Also, am I really supposed to be impressed that America is superior to the Mongols? Fact is that future advanced civilizations (if America doesn't stop human progress altogether) will look back upon America with as much respect as we give the Mongols and the Aztecs. The trick is to become an advanced civilization, but that ain't happening in America.

And if you're really surprised that Trump is winning supporters when he's running against Hillary...I don't know what to tell you. You're obviously not living in the same world the majority of this country is. I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but most people look upon Hillary unfavorably.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-liar-frequently-word-hillary-clinton/story?id=33361629

Poll: "Liar" word most frequently associated with Hillary Clinton.

Woohoo! My asshole is better than your asshole! Gee! How great.

 

The SOB doesn't even pay his bills........................


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/



[SIZE=14pt]USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills[/SIZE]

Donald Trump casts himself as a protector of workers and jobs, but a USA TODAY NETWORK investigation found hundreds of people – carpenters, dishwashers, painters, even his own lawyers – who say he didn’t pay them for their work.

During the Atlantic City casino boom in the 1980s, Philadelphia cabinet-builder Edward Friel Jr. landed a $400,000 contract to build the bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.

The family cabinetry business, founded in the 1940s by Edward’s father, finished its work in 1984 and submitted its final bill to the general contractor for the Trump Organization, the resort’s builder.

Edward’s son, Paul, who was the firm’s accountant, still remembers the amount of that bill more than 30 years later: $83,600. The reason: the money never came. “That began the demise of the Edward J. Friel Company… which has been around since my grandfather,” he said.



Hotwater

 

ja90

MeAgain has already done some correcting of your list but as he’s said history is more complex and people like to see individuals as milestones rather than seeing the road as a whole as a process.

The Wright brother get the accolade and they happen to be Americans but they were building on developments made by many people from many nations same with steam engines, automobiles rockets and computers, individuals from many nations can get the credit for ‘invention’ but they are usually just a milestone in the process.

I like to think in terms of human achievement rather than ‘American’ or ‘British’ achievement

BUT – as has been said - things are often more complex than that and it has to be noted that governments can through policy help in the development of technology change. Sometimes that is by design and sometimes b accident. This can mean that governments can improve the chances of their country bringing about some developments or help in changing the world for the better or worse.

That is why it is so important to look at the policies been put forward by those seeking election to government

As to political developments it works in a similar way to the technical, just read any history of political thought.

It should be remembered that the US constitution was a political fudge and was almost immediately amended (and has been ever since) and although it bones were a good try for 200 years ago many constitutional lawyers think it could be vastly improved upon today.

Also workers in many countries had to fight to gain improvements in their conditions and pay often opposed by those in power and the US is no different, some country’s disadvantaged did better than others (universal healthcare for example) so I don’t think the US can be singled out for praise.

As to America’s ‘defeat’ of Soviet Russia to many the collapse of the Soviet Union was due to the inherent contradictions in its political system and really bad management. What is more clear is that is that the imposition of neoliberal ‘American capitalism’ in post communist Russia aided and abetted by the US government brought about the conditions for oligarchy, nationalism and Putin.

So again governments can improve the chances of their country bringing about changes in the world for the better or for the worse and that is why it is so important to look at the policies been put forward by those seeking election to government

 

Ja90

I think you don’t mean it but the argument you seem to be presenting is that a country can be forgive its ‘bad’ actions because of its ‘good’ actions and that Americans shouldn’t worry or criticise its ‘bad’ actions because…well hey… every other nation or civilization has done ‘bad’ things?

The British have done many things they can be proud but does that mean I should just forget about the things that Britain’s should NOT be proud of the deaths, slavery, massacres and exploitation that was committed, hell no. I wasn’t involved in it directly but that doesn’t mean I forgive it or will forget it was done, because as MeAgain has commented we should learn from the past.

And if the good things are remembered as a source of pride then the bad things should be remembered as a source of reflection – people are people some have done good and others bad as a group or as individuals, and a country is not of and unto itself it is made up of many groups and individuals. The thing about being in a democracy is that voters can put others into positions of power and influence which ones are chosen has an impact on what outcomes are produced.

People in their lives do both good and ill some do more good than ill others not. Sometime it’s difficult to say - Americans have voted into power those that have done good things and bad things.

To me in making a decision as to who to vote for I look at what they say and what their policies are – now is what Trump is saying and proposing likely to bring about good or ill?

 

Valid point at first. But I think this overly pride image of the obnoxiously proud american (although there are still plenty ) is also declining. At the climax of this 'america is THE land of the free and just the highlight of moral civilisation and saviour of the world' kind of thinking (I guess 50's until 90's, climax perhaps in the 80's?) there was an international charicature of the American that goes abroad and it really fitted. Now, this charicature is in decline and I think for positive reasons. Especially the ones that actually go abroad have learned how and why their country was regarded back in the 90's and earlier and how it has already changed. You can't help but think that the internet has speeded this awareness up as well.

 

Many companies went down because Trump didn't pay the agreed on cost for the job... Trump calls it "re-negotiating". Or in layman's terms "If you want your money, sue me"

 

zombie hitler vs the ghost of maggie thatcher, never count our boobies before they're hatched.

what if everyone voted for jill or gary instead. i didn't say it would ever happen, but just what if?

i mean, even just out of curiosity. aren't there people in the u.s. who might be curious what would happen if they ignored corporate media and tried something REALLY different for a change?

he can have his pitchforks alright, right up his own you know what.

 

Everytime i say i'm voting for Jill someone tries to guilt trip me as if I will be personally responsible for electing Donald Trump by voting for her.

This might be a really radical idea, but imagine what kind of country we could have if we all started voting FOR someone instead of against.

 

That was the original idea I guess. Today it's just mud-slinging.

 

I'm voting for one party platform, and against the other one.

 

I thought Johnson was pro-life so I was disappointed. Just found out he's pro-choice! He received the highest score from the ACLU. He's not even religious!!

 

I'm all in favor of a discontinuation of the left/right paradigm, and replace it with a libertarian/authoritarian paradigm.

 

Well, yeah. The libertarian party is big on personal freedom.

The ability to create laws to protect the people from corporations? Not so much.