Don't hit women, but...

RE: Im not saying I say it about men, I say it about people who I know in life and such, jokingly.. But you are right, if you said that about a woman, even kiddingly, people would probably have a lot of negative things to say about you

But that's acceptable. It's also acceptable everywhere else, even in commercials in which girls kick men, shoe em in the nuts, hit them over the head, etc.

RE: You are absolutely right. I totally agree with you. I can see where a guy was defending himself against an abusive girl and she gets a mark and hes the one in trouble,

But the feminists don't wanna hear it. To them it's typical male whining. And then they trot out "well what about this womyn who was chained to a desk and had her arm ironed from wrist to shoulder by some madman?" I'm like what difference does this make?

RE: the poor guy would always be marked up, she would just think it nothing to smack him across the face and so forth..

You go girl! Diva!

RE: I would talk with him and tell him that just because she is a women does not make it okay to abuse you like that. And he would always say, well, ya know I deserved it..

Mom hit him the girlfriend hit him....

RE: And I thought it was truly sad cause if it would be the other way around, it wouldnt be tolerated..

Let me put it to you this way - a few years ago a female reporter (one of the big ones, can't remember the name) asked some woman whose husband-to-be changed his mind about the wedding 2 days before the wedding "did you castrate him?"

Imagine if the roles were reversed and the woman walked out (see, the guy walking out is because he's a jerk who can't commit - the woman naturally would be doing what's best for her, not wanting to rush into anything, doing the right thing) and a male reporter asked "so, did you cut her breasts off?"


But cause it was a guy, it was just laughed at..truly sad...

 

Ok, here are the instances I referred to.

From the "breast feeding in public" topic:
http://hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1478815&postcount=2

From the "Degrading" topic:
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1117062&postcount=8

 

Oh, hooray for "strong wimmyn!"

 

its funny cause that degrading one, the poster stated that a father can do so much damage to his daughters by acting like women are suppose to be a certain way...but yet she stated that shes will smack and has smacked men for saying something sexist and how is this okay, showing violence infront of your child..but I guess thats okay though..

 

Of course it is. Women are taught at an early age that men are large, smelly beasts of burden that must be controlled, humiliated and tamed.

 

You shouldn't realy hit anyone unless its to defend you or yours and you are left with out options. and theres always the option of pushing a woman away. If you cant take a punch from a girl you need to reavaluate your strengths and work on it. Its the same reason we open doors for woman, because its easyer for us to open them.
as for anyone who has allowed there anger get control of there life like that. should probaly take a serious look at the path they are taking, and there part in choosing it,

 

wtf steffan? easier for you to open them huh?
i forgot i was so weak and feeble. sheesh

 

I just remembered something that happened out in the cort yard. Well, my school has a courtyard, it has trees and tables and grass and alot of people go there during lunch the main building is wrapped around it). I go and sit at a table there with some people sometimes. I just remembered a girl hitting a guy as hard as she could and people were laughing at him. She was really small, but my point is people are encouraging that sort of thing.

 

If a woman hit me I'd punch her twice as hard. I'd do the same for a guy. Of course... I'd make sure not to do anything real stupid. I've seen what prison is like and I don't want to be there.

 

You get the same amount of time for hitting them once as you do for being the shit out of them, or atleast you do in this state.

 

Is is what men spend their time thinking about, beating up women?!?!? I can't imagain why the world is like it is with this kind of thinking pattern..?!?!?

Women are the vessel of life, we bring forth your children and nurture and teach them right from wrong. We feed them from our bossoms the nector of life.

From the begining of time men have stepped on women to climb the ladder of sucess. They have used us and abused us. This is NOT how Creator intended men to treat women. The turnning of the 60's opened up a new world for women. We took charge of our lives, we went to work if we wanted too, we took off our harrnesses that was tied to the kitchen sink and just long enough to streach to the bedroom.
We took a stand, Not to be the whipping post for a bad day at work. We choose to not take the beatings and humiliation any more. We choose to not take the demeaning manner we were being treated with. We said NO MORE!! We learned to protect ourselves with what ever means was available. We left the abusers to themselves and their macho BS. We would rather be alone then be tortured. If they come after us, that better be packing, cuz we will be.
We are not weak, we are not fragile, we will not be pushed around/aside or ignored. We don't need their support in exchange for having to bare the indignation of the insulting way we are dealt with. Not only will we Not bow down to MAN, we teach our female children to stand up for their rights as HUMAN BEINGS. We teach our male childen to respect women and treat them with equality and respect as they would their male gender.
If you look at nature, the animals, you don't see the male attacking the females and beating them up. You may see a female chastizing a male for trying to force his will upon her when she is not ready.
People do strange things and bring trouble upon themselves. I always say, " If you don't start no shit, there won't be any". Sticking to nature and the peaceful flow of the universe can keep you from getting so mixed up in the termoil of chaos that negivivity brings. Nothing is worth your spirit being torn from you. Be you man or women.
But as it is a MAN's world, we see violence and war, we see man in control and we see death and destruction.
I will give you a picture of what some men are like.
I was cooking supper as I always did. Man comes home from work yelling and screamming bc he had a hard day at work. I ask him to stop yelling, bc he was scaring the kids. He grabed me by the throat and bent me backwards over the stove where the food was cooking chocking me. As my hair caught on fire and he was not letting me go and I was loosing conciousness I grabed his ears and brought his face to mine and I bite a chunk out of his cheek. He let me go and I put my burnning hair out in the kitchen sink. I called the police to get him out of the house while I packed up the kids to make my excape. To my horror, the police men told me if they took him they were going to take me too and call CPS to pick up my children. With that I said " Fine leave him, and I got my kids, my daughters breathing machine and her meds and out the door I went after 6 yrs of abuse, with what we had on our backs, to the battered womens shelther for safty till I could get back home to Texas.
This is how it usually is for battered women. Some make it some don't. It is Man's doing. Men have treated us so badly that it has taken some women over the line.
I'm not saying that there are no good men out there, I have one now, who would never ever hit or verbally abuse a woman. But there are more bad apples out there then not. In my experience anyway. This post is just a formally battered woman telling it like it is. And I will be double dogged dang before another man lays his hands on me in violence again and walk away. I mean no harm here, but some of you kids need to wake up and see the real picture of women beaters. It ain't funny. It isn't something to be proud of and boastful about. It's against nature. Yes I do get passionate about this subject, as I have lived it.
SH

 

Did you even read the thread? Who on here was boasting about beating a woman? I would never beat a woman.

 

your 15 how many women do you hang out with, yes I read the thread, it was disscussing how on a movie a women ploted to kill her husband. Yet they neglected to mention in this movie that her husband faked his own death and set up his trusting wife to take the fall, and when she got out she tracked him down and killed him. Or the one who's loving husband beat and tortured his wife, she left, he tracked her down and terrorized her and abused her. She learned self deffence and got him before he got her.. for crying out loud, litterly.Or a girl slapped a boy at school, any one ever stop to ask why she slapped him, and why every one thought is was so funny. This Man's issues was about hitting women. It should be, experienced men and not young kids that are 15 yrs old and don't have the faintest idea as to what abuse is. Or what battering is. I pray you never have to experience it in your life. If you have, I pray you are not longer in that circumstance.
You say you'd never beat a woman, that's good on ya, but not every dude feels that way. I'm just saying what I know to be true, what I went through that taught me the facts. It's just how it is.

 

Hmmm. I missed both of them. Michelle, in the first one, was making a bad joke. I don't think she meant any harm, she's a pretty gentle soul. Still. it wasn't in the best taste. I don't know the intention of the other poster. As I said before, I disagree with any physical violence. (How old IS that "degrading" thread? I can't even find it.)

 

Well, I recalled the "Degrading" thread because I posted in that thread around the time of its inception and remembered that none of the Women's Forum posters had replied to my points about the example she was setting (pretty much the same as I outlined here - what makes hitting men ok?). I thought it, and the more recent post in the breastfeeding thread, might constitute enough of a trend to be worthy of our attention here and now.

And shameless_heifer, I'm sorry to hear about your experiences with domestic violence. I assert that you have every right to seek defense against the type of men who bring this violence into the lives of everyone around them. But I am not talking about that. When I started this thread, my focus was not on domestic violence. I am talking about the women who see the examples on television and in the culture and take a "I'd hit him so hard" or "I would cut his dick off if he cheated on me" attitude toward the men in their lives. I'm talking about those who sock or slap their male friends, perhaps with playful intentions but often forcefully. I'm talking about those who see these things and take it too far. Nobody here is saying men should ever beat women. But I believe women who give in to these sorts of impulses themselves do nothing but perpetuate the cycle.

 

RE: From the begining of time men have stepped on women to climb the ladder of sucess. They have used us and abused us. This is NOT how Creator intended men to treat women. The turnning of the 60's opened up a new world for women. We took charge of our lives, we went to work if we wanted too, we took off our harrnesses that was tied to the kitchen sink and just long enough to streach to the bedroom.

Er, back at the beginning of time we said "hey, we'll stay behind and watch and nurture the kids - you go out and fight the wars and hunt the dangerous animals."
Some might argue that women twist men around just as much.

The plural of anecdote is not data. And even if you were with a guy that smacked you around that's NO EXCUSE for us thinking it's OK for women to hit men, or to laugh at battered men.

You should have said "being a battered woman I feel for these men" not bleat on about it being a man's world and all men's fault.

 

How many women do I hang out with? Like 2-5 at lunch sometimes. Thats not the movie I was talking about. He didn't fake his own death. He did stalk her and go to her house once, but in the end she went to his house and killed him. Everybody thought it was justified (even I did) and your saying it was, but it wasn't (even though he deserved it). I'd tell you that if you disagree, take it up with my health teacher. Thats what they tought us, so now thousands of kids in my city share this view with me.

Yea, nobody asked why she punched him repeatidly (not slapped). It was because he was teasing her. The whole point of mentioning that was to point out that it is being encouraged. A entire group of people thought it was funny, because they are stupid. People get kicks out of all kinds of things that ARE NOT funny at my schools. They would cheer on a random execution, and they love those bloody fights.

I am 15. Why shouldn't I be allowed in here? Are you saying my input is worthless because of my age? You don't know me. I don't have the faintest idea of what abuse is? Just because I am 15 year old male doesn't mean I am a douche bag. Quit making assumptions.

Pfft... I know its ture. Do you think I am blind, death, and insane? Like 1 out of every 4 women is beat by her husband. Theres still a ton of work to be done. Theres still discrimination agianst women in the work place.

I am pretty much neutral or with you all on all these issues. So why are you after me?

 

I was not dissing your age sweetie, I was wondering at your age how many 'women 'not girls you hang with. I wasnt saying you shouldnt be in here, I speaking of the issue of battering. How much at your age have you been involved in. That's what I was meaning in my statement.. I do get carried away sometime when a subject touches me. I am very strong willed. Passoinate in my belefs and secure enough in my heart to speak my mind.
No matter how much time passes or how much counciling you get, you still bare the physical and mental scars and they do teach us well.
Men don't like to be humiliated or pushed or punched? Neither do women, we never did.

Green, I'm not after you, nor am I picking you out. I was just trying to relate what it feels like to be battered and abused. I am just trying to give a clear picture of what it's like, so the youngers can understand why women are reversing the table. Why we are stricking out in our own deffence. I don't like violence of any sort, I don't condone hitting or the likes for any human being, man, woman or child. But I can understand what drives them. I never understood why men would want to harm someone they profess to love.
As far as it being a Man's World.. look around.. who's in charge, who starts the wars, who designs the weapons. Has there and will there ever be a female president? why not.. bc, it's a man's world. They scoff and laugh at the thought of a woman in charge. Funny, it's ok to run the household, with the approval from the man as the final say. You give us a joke to live by, as you pat each other on the back, being 'good ole boys. I hear them say to each other. Why don't you just knock the crap out of her and she'll straighten up, or what she needs is a good fucking. Yes this boils my blood. AS if you own us and can do whatever you feel like when you feel like it to us. You even tell us what to do with our own bodies. You tell us our thoughts are silly and pat us on the head like dogs. You don't take us seriously, so it seems that some women are standing up and saying NO MORE, and the men are freeking,
The times they are a changing. Women out number men Five to One in the world. Not the best odds, we are gainning strenght, the Goddess has come home, she sits on the throne once again. Men have tried to remove her and for thousands of years has keep her locked away. But the Universe has heard her crys for justice and she has once again come to surface to take her place next to Creator as an equal and not at His feet, the other side of the coin, the yang and the yin, it can only be this way to keep the balance in the universe. You ask why.. Men(most) are hard and cold minded, women bring softeness,consideration and love to balance out the scales. We were made to bring balance, we were created to compliment and bring out the softer side of man. Without one there can be no others to follow.

 

Gee, thanks to whoever anonymously left me negative rep saying "you have some seriously warped ideas about women". This smacks of cowardice. Why not tell me what makes me so wrong right here in this thread?

shameless_heifer, your "the Goddess has come home, she sits on the throne once again" garbage sounds like a female superiority complex, which is exactly the sort of attitude that sees good men victimized by violence. And if we're to believe you, good men are a declining minority as it is. So why would women want to alienate men who reject violence and believe in equality from furthering said cause?

I am not advocating male dominion over women OR female dominion over men. I am advocating NEITHER. I am for equality (which is a two-way street), and ending domestic violence in all its forms. But women who wish to do harm against men - without just cause - are no more part of the solution than men who harm women. Am I wrong?

Please tell me why this woman is free of accountability for making the world a shittier place:
http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200nationalnews/tm_objectid=15065338&method=full&siteid=50003&headline=woman--tore-off-ex-lover-s-testicle--name_page.html

You may see a world in which women are still kept down and must rise up against men. I see a world in which men continue to be raised in a culture of violence and are then expected to be peaceful. I see a world which continues to produce rapists and abusers and doesn't care enough to wonder how they got that way or do anything to prevent more men from following that path. I see a world in which emasculation is growing in popularity without anyone worrying about the ramifications for the minds of adolescent men. I see a world in which men are barraged with messages suggesting they're not as important or essential or intiuitive or "mature" as women, that they are expendable, that their protection comes only after protecting all others, if then. I see sexism where you fail to recognize it. I see evidence of some women letting a collective goddess complex go to their heads when they lambast men as simple brutes. And I see a system that doesn't treat rapists and abusers of both genders as a large enough threat to society to keep them locked away.

Yes, I have a problem with the fact that every time a man is the victim of violence at the hands of a woman, that people assume he did something to deserve it. How is this sort of attitude any better than the "she was asking for it" rapist/abuser mentality?

I remember in high school sitting in a classroom for my community service elective and hearing a girl boast to her friend about how she "kicked a guy in the balls so hard, he peed blood." I looked at her and saw delight in her face for what she was either reminiscing or fantasizing about, but either way I had never heard anything like it before. And yes, I was terrified and outraged. How is a decent guy supposed to feel about this sort of behavior?

Women like this DO exist, and they and their unfettered behavior will continue to draw the ire of men, not all of whom are peaceful enough to simply discuss their frustration on a message board. I don't know what makes rapists and abusers tick because frankly I am neither one. But I do know we have little hope of reforming them and preventing others from becoming like them as long as we place the blame squarely on men for the way they've been conditioned by society at large. Moreover, the burden should not rest on men alone to change their behavior and question their own beliefs for the greater good.

Contrary to what you might believe about me, I don't think women should HAVE to appease men after enduring subjugation for so long. But I believe that if people are truly interested in making the world a better place, leaving this world better than we found it, we're taking too many steps in the wrong direction. You talk about balance, but you don't see that the scales can be tipped too far.

 

I don't think women out number men THAT much (5 to 1) but I know that there are more women than men in most countries, except some asian ones they are using drugs so that they can have male babies.