Drugs are bad?

I've done it with 7gs of mushrooms. I was in awe. It was a great trip!

 

If it doesn't grow out of the ground or it has more ingredients then a can of spaghetti O's then you probably shouldn't be using it for any recreational purpose.

 

Spaghetti o's are worse then any drug, have you seen the ingredients? The metal lining isn't included there

 

Neither is the rat poop. lol. But then again theirs probably rat poop in most peoples weed. Nothing we put in our body is safe these days.

 

I was not referring to people who inject the drug, smoke it, or snort it. I am referring to people who use them moderately. This would be exemplified by Chronic Pain Patients or Suboxone/Methadone users.

I will find some links when I have time, but most literature I have read indicates that opioids, taken orally, even at high doses, do not seriously harm the body.

The problem is that most people who use opioids recreationally turn into junkies, that is people who inject or habitually do lines of, their drug. Opioids are not like Cannabis, where you find a lot of "weekend warriors" who will binge all weekend and not touch it in the week.

But that I why I chose to only talk about PHYSICAL harm. Opioids are, after dopaminergic stimulants, the most addictive agents on earth because the high is very subtle yet euphoric and doesn't seem like a "big deal". It is the tolerance that leads to the train-wreck most opioid users enter after maybe a few months of casual use.

I did not mean to take any of the severity off of opioids.

 

Yes you try to tailor your list for moderate opiate use but excessive MDMA use and probably excessive alcohol use as well with it so high up on that list.

I've read all too often in the opiate section on this forum of opioid users getting prescriptions for pain pills and taking them at recommended dosages and ROA's to start off and than it often escalating to out of control dosings and exploration of other ROA's and what not. I'm talking about PHYSICAL harm as well, shit no speed that I've done has had me bed ridden and puking daily for a week even after heavy use. I know stimulants, especially primarily dopaminergic focused ones come with their own set of risks that are really nasty as well but to say opioids are not up there alongside them in terms of physical risk is very ignorant imo. Trying to disassociate basic low dose opioid action from the reality of how they are so commonly used is very misleading information.

 

I am sorry that I have hit a nerve. Usually, you and I agree on things. If there is something insulting I said, please let me know, because I certainty did not mean to take any jabs. I am just not the type of person that does that.

I suppose that I, like I tend to do, took a purely "academic" look at the topic. I considered the following question: "If you take drug (insert) at a moderate dose and through a normal route of administration, meaning drinking for alcohol, oral for pills, smoking for Cannabis, do you have a risk of bodily harm in the following day." I did not factor in addictive potential nor did I figure in "alternative" routes of administration.

Again, I meant no harm or offense. Please understand that...

 

No you didn't hit a nerve at all, I was pretty much pointing out that your purely 'academic' list forgot to factor in some variables which you have apparently come around to considering now.

 

here a few from a quick search. Unfortunately I can't find the specific study I was thinking of that talked about three individuals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin-assisted_treatment

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-10-20/...-addicts-street-heroin-treatment?_s=PM:HEALTH

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/8255418.stm

http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/prescribing-heroin-what-evidence

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Heroin_Maintenance

 

Ok. I was a bit concerned for a moment, but, as we all know, it is impossible to discern a person's attitude by reading text on a screen.

I make a lot of posts. Not all of them can be great. Clearly my original post in this thread was a 'dud' upon further inspection.

 

Jenkem has to be pretty high on the list

 

Those articles are very interesting and it helps me understand you better when you wrote this...

The only article I read with anecdotal stories was 3 years old, so not really a longitudinal study... the rest of them were pretty clear that there was hardly conclusive evidence on the effectiveness of Prescription Heroin. I understand how prescription heroin could improve an individuals situation from what they may be surrounded with in the streets, but I've even heard of street opiate users lead functioning lives and some of those articles talk about methadone in a few of those articles, which often leads to it's own addiction and rehabilitation, so it would not surprise me in the least if Prescription Heroin followed suit.

 

worst drugs have to be heroine meth coke n benzos for addiction .

drugs like mpdv and 5meoamt R truely the worst drugs you can do ..

any drug is bad if you dont know anything about it .

dose , what to expect , what to do if you bad trip ...

you just have to trust yourself with most drugs, be a happy person and stable emotionally .

 

Only if your a heroin junkie. Safe if you use once a week or less

 

everything is bad for me....addicative personality shit...

 

if u get pure grade g3 heroine its not safe at all .. most people get garbage but the pure shit is hard to kick