Drugs as potent and 'clean' as LSD?

also, you had it only a few times, and now you're assuming that it'd be safe or beneficial even to dose it DAILY! it felt like you described because you had an awesome trip that you integrated into your life. taking a low dose daily isn't gonna have the same effect.

 

Mushrooms are the same those ways, and natural :O
...Someones prob said this already..

 

Generally by the subjectively felt effects. I have had a cook tell me about it's purity, but I did not have any way to verify this myself as I don't know chemistry, so I can only base my judgement off subjectively felt affects.

The purest LSD I ever had came from a highly experienced cook, who did not mass produce, he made small batches for himself and friends, was not in it for the money. He put in alot of time and effort to make a 100% perfectly synthesized molecule with the best equipment available. The LSD I had from him I always noted that it had two distinct qualities, 1) No Tremors, no muscle spasms or stiffness, 2) It did not leave me feeling exhausted after it wore off, but rather left me feeling recharged and like I needed to sleep and rest less, it left my body feeling refreshed and relaxed, like after a good massage or acupuncture.

As I went to more and more sketchy LSD sources, stamps from the street, through friends of friends of friends. I noticed that some hits would give me tremors and tenseness and muscle spasms, and some hits would leave me exhausted and wiped out, needing to rest for the whole next day. Those are always the two tell-tale signs to me that the LSD was not synthesized perfectly.

 

nope, no one tried to say that mushrooms are the same as LSD, yet.

good job though:sunny:

(they are vastly different trips, and i greatly prefer that of LSD)

there are several natural poisons and several perfectly safe synthetic molecules.

 

I've had black (or amber but they call it black) LSD crystal and white crystal which i'm told is super pure. I do notice the white is a lot cleaner feeling but the black makes for a more ergot craziness trip which is quite nice (do get a worse body load but when you're that loopy who cares)

Personally i don't see much difference and i don't doubt the quality of acid I've had in the past. If you don't get any tension then IMO you're lucky.

BTW everyone on here seems to love 2C-x's yet I dislike them a lot. Have the many vendors i've bought off given me crap products? I highly doubt it i just react different.

 

The. Molecule. Is. The. Same. No. Matter. What.

If it's NOT perfect LSD, it will not act as LSD acts.

LSD is not made by a "cook". What kind of lowlife are you?

"dirty" drugs are caused by impurities, not improperly formed molecules, that would NOT be the same drug, durrrr. And impurities, at least to the degree that normal doses would cause problems, are not something to expect, assuming you got real LSD. People who don't care to make LSD properly will generally not make LSD, meth's pretty fuckin' easy.

 

i liked this part :2thumbsup:

one rep as promised Roor

 

I try:2thumbsup:

rygoody, I just saw your last post on page two.... you DO understand that this is a powerful psychedelic drug, it MAKES YOU FEEL THINGS, to put it bluntly. Telling someone that they have bunk blotter can make them not feel the proper effects, telling someone that blotter might not be as good can make someone feel "dirty acid" effects, or telling someone that squares you cut out of your failed term paper and gave to them are acid can make them trip.

Or did you ever think maybe this "clean" acid is ALD-52? Nah, didn't think so, but now that I told you that, you'll have all KINDS of fun placebo, deciding which is LSD and which is ALD-52.... Or maybe you should do some reading on LSD analogues... how do you know what ANY of them are? Or again, maybe you're getting an NBOMe chemical, and have no clue! Maybe you suck at life and are getting DOx!

DOB is the cleanest feeling, most amazing cup of coffee in a gelcap I've ever had, I think I'm going to take it every morning! And while I'm at it, I'll have 2C-B, shit's like toast, MDMA's invigorating and feels like mental orange juice.... Shit, the wonderful, happy, spiritual, healing possibilities are endless. These all feel good, so they must be great for me.

Like, seriously, you're trying to make up percent purities? The fucking PAPER it's on puts so many more chemicals in there than the LSD has as contaminants....

 

woah, never thought of that either!

but i still believe that 100% pure LSD is better than 50%. even if the 50% impurities are harmless, you're now getting half the dose you're supposed to. if they lay the doses at "100 ug" it's really only 50 ug if it's 50% pure

 

To the degree that LSD does, not to my knowledge. There are many that possess two out of three of those qualities to good degree however.

 

I'm sorry this just isn't true, I know in basic to even some 'advanced' organic chemistry this sort of viewpoint is sufficient to understand the situation. And the vast majority of texts concerning organic chemistry won't elaborate anymore beyond the understanding you currently have on the subject. But such an understanding is a simplification. There can be extremely slight deviations of molecular forms, and they will still be classified under same name.

It's like with a piano for example, the lowest end C note is at 16.35 hz
This means that anything from 16.350001 hz to 16.359999 hz is technically called a 'C Note'. However there is still a small deviation under the label called 'C Note'. The deviation is so small, that it's not humanly perceptable, most tools cannot even reliably tell such a small difference, so why make different names for 16.351hz and 16.359 hz? Us humans, in our language simply call anything within that range a 'C', even though there is still variation.

Now while organic chemistry and the synthesis of molecules do not go on a linear scale of 0 to 100000 hz, but rather molecular synthesis is on a multifauceted scale that has many directions. This same thing holds true. Molecules can have a slight deviation on some scale of measurement, which is a deviation so small it is not perceivable by any instrument, so it gets labelled LSD. But the deviation does still exist under that label of 'LSD'.

To the layperson, LSD is LSD is LSD, as they know nothing more than the name. But to the person who understands the complexity of what is behind those three letters, 'LSD' is not actually a singular exact point of perfection, but rather 'LSD' is a label which encompasses an extremely small range of molecular deviation. Like every single thing in our existence, you are always dealing with an infinite amount of variability in any range. And the labels put over any clump of infinite variation, whether it be something so broad as a racial label 'Mexican' 'Italian', or something more specific like the name of a fruit 'apple' 'banana', or something more minuscule like a musical note name 'C', or even more minuscule like a molecule name 'LSD', these are just cultural inventions to simplify, and make comprehensible, any given range of infinity. And even though we have a singular exact word for these things, this does not mean the infinite range of variation behind the word, no matter how microscopically small it is, does not exist.

In drugs that are lower potency per weight, such a small deviation is really negligible. Like for example, caffeine, or tylonel, such a small deviation is going to result in something like, you being 'slightly' more stimulated in a different feeling, or 'slightly' more pain relieved in a different way? With weak substances such small deviation is not noticable. But with LSD being so freaking potent for such a small amount, a tiny deviation produces more notably pronounced differences in effect.

 

See the obsessed psy thread lol

seriously man you remind me of those weed people that won't accept anything negative about their sacred plant. LSD isn't a completely harmless substance fact.

 

where did you get this info? i'm a trained biochemist, and i've never heard anything like this.

"dirty" LSD is most likely caused by impurities, not a slightly different LSD molecule.

what is the slight deviation you are talking about? what part of the molecular structure does it deal with?

 

^^^ Agree with the above!! "dirty" LSD is just acid with impurities on the medium(blotter paper) or still has chemicals left over from the synthesis, dirty chemicals and process= dirty LSD aka impurities.

 

also, those impurities are present in such low amounts that you can barely notice them

 

I agree with you , although some really impurely made LSD seems to be more noticeable, or it may be impuritys added to the acid after synthesis for whatever reason, dunno..

 

I would say Fentanyl or Suboxone are as potent and clean as LSD, but I have a "feeling" that is not what you wanted to hear! However, I find it true. They are active in the microgram range, and unlike their more "messy" cousins Morphine and -codone, they are crispy clean and lucidly euphoric. And, yes, I have taken psychedelics a few times (and enjoyed them immensely) if you are wondering...

 

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml

 

Oh shit, I didn't know that. Then could you point out any problems with my non chemists opinion here?

I think rygoody's full of SHIT, molecules go together very specific ways, based on the bonds of the atoms they're composed of. There ARE lots of variations, we call these analogs: by ry's analysis of things, we might as well just consider ALD-52 the same as LSD. But it's not, and if you make ALD-52, it may degrade into LSD, but you made ALD-52, NOT a batch of molecules SIMILAR to it.

Chemicals don't just move up or down a scale like a pitch, a pitch is simple: it's a higher or lower frequency. You don't just decide you'll change the ratios of atoms in LSD, LSD looks like this, and only this, or it's NOT LSD:



If you move things, it becomes an analog, and while analogs are sometimes sold on the black market, it's not a bunch of different molecules in different ratios, it's ONE chemical, unless someone mixes chemicals.

For example, if you make lysergic acid diethylamide, you don't magically get DIFFERENT lysergemides, you used diethylamine. If you use something else, you don't get LSD, because there was no diethylamine. This is my understanding as a NON chemist.

ry seems to be applying superstitous thought to this. But this isn't a witches brew, making a mistake or being a less skilled chemist won't give you "less pure" LSD, or "not quite" LSD. If it's not LSD, it will have it's own specific profile of bio-activity, be that rapid and painful death or a 40 hour trip. But this won't happen because a chemist tilts a flask wrong, that will simply affect his yield.

Am I right?

*edit* now ATOMIC deviation should be possible, but not MOLECULAR deviation. And ATOMIC deviation might cause a decreased or increased half life, etc. This would be because different isotopes of the elements in LSD might have ended up in it. But they still bond together the same way, and will have imperceptibly different activities, if they're shaped like LSD it doesn't matter if one atom weighs a little more or less. It would be like having a lego with a rounded corner: it still fits the spot, even if it doesn't stick to the other legos quite the same, the finished product still fits your seratonin receptor sites the same way. Isotopes being, for example, carbon 14 (14C), carbon 13 (13C), and carbon 12 (12C).

You can't move a hydrogen a little to the left, that's NOT WHERE IT FITS, atoms ONLY bond in specific ways.

This is a powerful psychedelic drug, and slightly different emotions or feelings on it are due to the emotionally amplifying nature of psychedelic drugs, not the chemist forgetting the newt eyes.

 

I'd have to concur completely, not that my non professional opinion matters.

I think there are 2 schools of thought behind the impure controversy. The molecular one, (the molecules are not exactly right) which you and PS arguments shoot down effectively. The other, that there are other things present in the blotter, dot, liquid, etc in ADDITION to the L.
It seems to me the argument for "inpure" L can only be made with the idea of other things being mixed in with the L, certainly not that the molecule is incorrect, as in Roo's example.

I can totally see how it's possible the something claimed to be L is in fact not, (DOx blotter sold as L for example) I just can't see someone going to the trouble to synth L, and then adulterate it with something else. But people being people, I wouldn't be surprised.