Drugs that you wouldn't touch?

Indeed. And morphine is naturally occuring in Papaver Somniferum(the opium poppy), so it's right up your alley:2thumbsup:

 

Yeah I like to grow them haha

 

Well, the ship has sailed for pretty much most substances. I have no real desire to ever try PCP, or any of that krokodil, scopolamine, and other bullshit.

I never thought Id use heroin and cocaine together in a needle, but a few years ago, there I was, not realizing what I was getting sucked into.

Never really have a desire for DXM again, used it a few times and is for me ehhhh

 

None of them.

 

I'm going to guess that you've never tried raw heroin?
The reason I say this is that although Heroin is a Morphine derivative and is largely converted back during metabolism, there is a *profound* difference in effects and in particular it's euphoric properties. It is well known that the Thebaine derivatives (Oxycodone, Hydrocodone) give the sensation of an 'upper' (i.e. less lethargy, more sociability and euphoria) as compared to Morphine proper; and then there is Heroin, which is in a class all of it's own.

I'm not advocating anything here but I point this out because there are plenty of cheaper alternatives to popular prescription pills available and yet it is the absurdly euphoric and energetic 'rush' that causes people to rapidly spiral out of control and keeps them coming back to heroin. Heroin is not simply a more potent 'kind' of Morphine, it is it's own monster and is only second in potential for abuse to Methadone, excepting of course the more rapid build-up to tolerance Methadone causes.

I strongly disagree with the sentiment that heroin users ought to be locked up (naturally, as I've used it myself) and think the issue far to complex to approach from any single perspective, but I would advise against trying it as it definitely lives up to it's reputation, and then some (provided you have access to high purity powder, I know that much of the country has access only to tar, but here in Philadelphia and in the Kensington neighborhood especially, there is an epidemic of absurdly pure dope being competitively sold in an open-air drug market).

 

Well, for me, Acid is out, I have tripped enough in my life to get enlightenment about what it is and how it affects you. At one time, I loved to trip out on acid, about 30 times total in my lifetime, connect with the world, thoughts become clearer..but I did have a bad trip, my 2nd to the last time I ever used LSD, I ran into a guy that I had known from 4 years back, I was trying to score some acid and it was wierd I ran into him, he called my name and I asked him "do you know anyone who can get me and my friend some acid?" he is like sure, it is good to see you, blah, blah. blah..So, he gets the acid from this guy on the corner, 2 hits of blotter each, I dont remember what picture was on it. I take it and it is cool, I can feel it coming on, I know the feeling, trails, visuals, acute hearing..I am like this is some good acid I can tell...then I hear the guy that helped me get the acid and that I knew before down at the bon fire saying that we were cops, so I was tripping, literally and physically. So, we stand up and it felt as if our bodies had joined together and started running, then somehow we split off of each other and all I remember is running down the street, seeing my life flash in front of my eyes, pee my pants and that was it..darkness..

I woke up 2 days later in a hospital, I guess while I was running I decided to dive head first down a flight of stairs. Staples in my head, blood in both eyes, my sinuses got jacked..yeah, that was my one bad acid trip, when I got out of the hospital I still went down and scored again to prove I wasnt scared..it changed the way I thought about things..but yeah, I have no desire to do acid anymore

the other is salvia, but that will be for another day

 

Damn.. I'll take a sheet of that!

 

Iif the situation would of been different, I would of handled it better, I bet that acid was amazing, too bad I ended up freakin..

 

I saw in a documentary recently that a bunch of heroin addicts were making morphine instead of diamorphine by accident, and they didn't seem to be able to tell the difference lol

I am aware that diamorphine acts differently in the body. If it really is THAT different perhaps I'll do more research. As I say though I prefer natural, so I tend to just go for the purely natural compound that hasn't been tampered with

 

I actually had a chance to get some acid today, but turned it down. Never would have seen that coming

 

I can't imagine really taking any sort of drugs purposely except out of desperation, like crazy migraines or well, of course when I get my wisdom tooth pulled. As it is I don't take anything when I get migraines, but I want to sometimes. I sometimes think I want to smoke some tobacco or drink some alcohol, migraines are the only thing that make me remember weed because the last time I smoked it it was because I had such a horrible headache.

I drink caffeine very rarely, usually again when I have a migraine or something like that. I would take melatonin and maybe other things of that nature that I have taken in the past. I drink herbal teas, they would be considered a drug. I don't know really if someday I might take some sort of herbal hallucinogen. I really have no desire to do those things again, but in the right circumstances maybe I'd try peyote.

I have really only tried weed, shrooms, tobacco and alcohol. I just feel that I am completely over all that stuff. I'm just a different person and I don't to do them anymore.

Could sex be considered a drug?

 

What I mean is... locked up and treated. Decent conditions, a rehab centre BUT they can't walk away. I think the vast majority of genuine addicts would WANT help. Buy without being confined, they'd just clear off and rob/take heroin/crack again.

These 2 drugs are MASSIVELY different to other drugs. You only need to look at the communities/places these drugs are prevalent in. Often robbing their best friends, commiting EXTREME VIOLENCE etc, selling this rubbish to anyone they can.

If I found a heroin/crack addict trying to sell shit to a young relative of mine, I'd do a few things that I won't type here.

These addicts need treatment. Expecting them to volunteer isn't enough. It harms them AND others.

 

To detox is one thing to have the motivation to stay clean is another. That is why choice is what makes a difference. Those who really wish to stop and addiction have a really difficult time. Even with the best of intentions they relapse and those who are committed do attempt to detox again. I can not imagine trying to force people to not only detox but then expect them to stay that way.

 

haha, was it probably good stuff?

 

You are really naive. Are you really 28, just sheltered?

For me it's heroin, acid, and all those RCs. And homecooked meth. I've done pretty much everything else even smoked crack and snorted pharmaceutical meth (desoxyn) before. PCP was not fun, agitated insanity describes it best. Good cocaine is enjoyable here and there but I never buy it. I never found stimulants addictive, physically or mentally. 2 nights of coke and I'm like get that shit away from me.. hate feeling strung out. Now heroin? I would like that way too much. And I've seen too many friends destroyed by it. Acid is the only drug my old man specifically told me to stay away from, guess he saw too many friends lose their minds in the 60s. He told me if I want to trip, stick with mushrooms or mescaline so that's what I did. Salvia is not really fun so to speak but it was experiences I'm glad I had.

These days I'm too busy and concerned with other stuff to even care about drugs. Rarely even smoke weed anymore. I drink too much to unwind at night, need to get a grip on that and start night running again.

 

Are you sure that dehydration isn't causing them or making them worse? I ask because things like coffee and alcohol are of course both dehydrating and it all can cause migraines AFAIK. I've never had one but if I did I would drink a looooot of water!! And maybe take a couple of aspirin but that's a side note

I think heroin addicts only really do that stuff because they're so addicted. I mean hey imagine if nobody had any food... they'd start doing crazy stuff for food, right? It's probably the same with opiates, especially a particularly addictive derivative like diamorphine. You probably end up craving it like food.

What do you think of other opiates? Morphine or codeine or pure, natural opium?

 

Codeine sucks, morphine is ok but I would never shoot it, love smoking opium. The thing with opiates is you have to be smart.. space it out or you are fucked. And if you have a steady supply that is basically hard to do. It's like cigarettes. And I have never met a 'responsible' heroin user in my life, there is no such thing. Snorting leads to smoking leads to shooting in a very very short time, and then they are fucked. It changes your brain chemistry, as do a lot of drugs.

Your analogy confirms to me that you don't really know what you are talking about.. not to be offensive but it's not a subject to take lightly. My advice is stick to weed, mushrooms and booze.

 

Well...I only use caffeine after I've had a migraine so it wouldn't be the cause of the migraines, but maybe dehydration is a factor. I usually drink a lot of water, but sometimes I get into ruts where I won't really take care of myself properly, particularly if I'm working on a project and just ignore my own health.

Last night I had a horrible headache and drank so much water I gave myself a bellyache. Masturbating seemed to help it ease up though. (the migraine, that is) I always forget about that.

Personally I don't know much about morphine or heroine or anything, but I used to get migraines so bad I'd go to the E.R. and the first time it happened they gave me morphine...it was the worst experience I ever had and any other time I went to the hospital I begged them to give me anything other than morphine. I was very young at the time though, not sure if that had some effect on the way I felt about it.

There was one other time in the E.R. that I was put on morphine, it wasn't as bad I guess, but it sucked and I hated it.

 

And as bird said, don't ever stick a needle in your arm no matter how much you think you can 'handle it'

 

I'm pretty sure caffeine constricts blood vessels. That's why it's in some medicines for headaches and body aches, like BC powder and what not.