Dumb Things Stupid People Say About… Vegetarianism (rant incoming)

You just made me realize I actually had no point. Maybe I did and I forgot. Or did I?

 

booorrringgg... Next!!

Eat meats dont eat meats, whatever floats your boat I guess...
Factory farming I think is cruel though.

 

In general, civilized human diet is an aberration unless the individual takes charge of every single thing that finds its way into his or her mouth. The choices of meat are suspect at best (and I love to eat meat!)... the colors, hormones, antibiotics and unnatural feed diet the livestock is subject to (all to enhance profitability) result in a product that is compromised nutritionally and I'd wager helps precipitate all manner of disorder and disease in people.

It would be interesting to go through the pantries of those who are quick to preach to others about the folly of their diets and do some ingredient reading... sugars, flavors, colors, and preservatives that find their way into our systems and yet we wonder why diabetes, cancer, and all other manner of chronic condition is on the rise. We hear about ADD, ADHD and other attention and behavior issues in school children- let's check out what lurks in their breakfast fare... they're so hopped up on sugars that it would take a crack binge just to ease them down from the high... and we think it's such a mystery why diabetes has become such an issue in children and young adults. I will postulate that pharmaceutical giants aren't complaining.

Oh yeah- let's preach to vegetarians and vegans that they're not getting enough protein. Let's check up on the antibiotics and growth hormones levels too- because those poor deprived veggies are missing out on that too. I'm wondering if they're not holding up their end in the race for colon and stomach cancer because that's just not fair... because they're depriving a pharmaceutical giant of much needed profits; Lexus, Mercedes, and Yacht sales could be suffering. Heartless meat scoffers and your... your.... your HEALTH!

 

haha, nice post stinkfoot.

As a vegetarian I agree that we get a lot of flak from meat eaters. I actually try and avoid talking about my diet, because I really don't want to sound holier than thou, and I have no interest in converting people, it's a personal choice for me.

But anytime I go out to eat and order something veggie, I'm forced into a unwanted conversation about my diet.

oh, and this is a cool talk I watched the other day about the "health" of a typical meat eating diet:
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/mark_bittman_on_what_s_wrong_with_what_we_eat.html

 

Bonsai,
You're ranting on about this just like the gays wanting to tell us they're normal too.

People, just live your lives YOUR way and leave the rest of us the hell alone for Pete's sakes. We DON'T CARE. Shut up already!

 

I definitely agree that a vegetarian diet is more healthy, assuming (just like any diet) that you eat well. I think though, that it's hard to argue about a diet morally...or is the right word ethically. (I always get that confused).

I think on an ethical level, it's a sliding scale. Some Jains won't eat anything that grows underground because it disturbs the earth...they may avoid tilling the earth at all or picking vegetables before they fall from the tree/plant. Some where a veil all the time to make sure no insects enter their mouth accidentally.

They are willing to admit that eating vegetables is partly violent, but know that they must to survive, and that it is a way to reduce their bad karma. (They aren't under the impression that they are completely right and have nothing to worry about.)

They may feel that, although plants are harder to relate to that animals, and we may not be able to understand what their life experience is, that they are still living.

They also understand that growing crops, cooking food, and walking on the earth does cause the death of some animals too, so they try to do the best they can to prevent that.

In all plants and animals, there are pesticides and other chemicals that are now permanently in our ecosystem.

I think that the goal of some may be to try to reduce that as much as you are willing to at any given time. But, I think to look down on people below you on this quest, without realizing that there are a lot of people above you on that same quest, shows a sense of self righteousness that may hinder you on your path up that ladder.

If you really feel it's better for the karma of the collective to not eat meat, there are probably gentler ways to encourage it, that would be much more effective than ranting and putting people down.....I hope I'm not too guilty of that myself when I say that the title of this thread is quite appropriate, as I'm hoping to enlighten rather than just criticize.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_vegetarianism

 

You know, I could spend time responding to this but I think it stands alone as a self-discrediting response. without any effort from me.

I think a quote attributed to Robert Heilein is appropriate to reflect on here:
“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”

 

It's easy enough, people should respect other peoples choices. I as a meateater am ashamed of my fellow meateaters (actually see them as fellow humans by the way, just as veggies ) who keep insulting vegetarians just for their diet choices..
Nothing is more annoying as a vegetarian trying to convert you to stop eating meat (except religious persons trying to convert you to their religion perhaps) and doesn't respect your choice to still eat it, and I can fully understand their annoyance about prejudices from meateaters.

 

lol leave you alone?
Here in my thread?
What a novel idea.

There is a good one by George Bernard Shaw:

"Don't wrestle pigs, you get dirty and the pig only enjoys it"

 

My point was/is stop making a spectacle out of it.

Why even bring it up in the first place if not to just try to shove it down people's throats? Like religion and gay folks do? Christ(tm), I like meat but I don't run around trying to convert others into eating it.

Get it now?

Or are people like that just attention whores?

 

Well if you had bothered to read and understand my post, you would realise that for the most part I do keep my diet to myself, my post was a response to stupid things I hear omnivores saying to me on a regular basis, because unlike me, most omnivores won't keep their diet to themselves.

I posted it here in the rant forum, and made clear in the title what the topic is, you came here and read it of your own volition, nobody made you, I sure as hell didn't force my opinions on you.

I've not made any posts anywhere else on the forum ranting about vegetarianism, I don't bother meat eaters on the forums about their diets...

So in short...

What the fuck are you talking about?

A rough equivalent would be you walking into a gay bar, and complaining about all the open homosexuality going on.

I have access to these forums, same as you, I'm allowed to raise any topic that doesn't breach the admin's rules, same as you.

Why on earth should I not talk about something that I'm interested in?

You don't have a leg to stand on.

So if you don't like it, you can get over it, and take a hike.
Nobody here is trying to force their diet on you, and one of the things my post was about (if you had the mental faculty to understand it) was exactly that, people minding their own business.

 

Oops! I hit a nerve. RELAX! I stated my opinion so get over THAT. I'm out of the thread now so calm yourself down now before you blow a friggin' vein.

 

lol I'm quite relaxed ta, I just gave your post the tone of reply it warranted.
Like earns like.

 

i could give a shit less what you eat. i don't ever get in anybody's face about their personl eating habits; but it always seems that vegetarians and vegans are in mine with no provocation. all i'm doing is eating my steak, and i have to hear about it? oh fuck off.

i have a vegan friend that often pisses me off to no end, because there have been times when i have said absolutely nothing to him about food or eating habits and one time he just decides to tell me there is pus and impurities in cow milk, knowing that i love to drink milk. i wanted to stab him in the face.

 

:smilielol5:

:cheers2:

 

angry vegetarians are funny.

 

lol yes but to be fair, if the you don't bother other people about their diet, my post has no relevence to you does it?

The thing that annoys you is the exact same thing that annoys me, people coming up and bothering me about my diet without provocation.

It's not a Vegetarian vs Omnivore thing,
It's a Dumb People vs Smart People thing

the trouble is, as soon as I say anything, even here where I've made it really clear that I don't care what people eat, and don't go about trying to change folks diets, I get type-cast as a militant type veggie.

A lot of people have this attitude that we should somehow act as though our diet is a personal fault that we should keep secret.
I don't rub it in people's faces, but I'm not going to apologise for it either.

The mere act of not being a pushover suddenly makes you into a crusader in their eyes.

If you don't like people bothering you about your diet, then we're on the same side, cos I don't either.
That's what this thread is about.

 

and i'm not a militant meat-eater. i don't go around saying things like "hey, you, yeah, vegetarian! did you know that you are totally missing out on this lovely medium rare piece of death?"

it just doesn't need to be discussed on either end. it is what it is and if that can't be accepted then somebody needs a smack in the mouth, meat eater of or vegetarian.

there is a difference between saying, "yes, i am a vegetarian" and "yes, i am a vegetarian and did you know that a cow was horrifically slaughtered for you to enjoy that steak?"

 

Humans have been eating meat since they set foot on Earth. It's a natural part of being human.

It's normal.

 

Yes but I'm not saying that am I.
I posted a list of responses to common things meat eaters say to me, and vented a bit of frustration about how dumb these things are.

I'm not really seeing your point dude. Nothing in my OP critiques anything you have posted here