Dutch Finally Outlaw Cannabis Tourism!

Grow your own!

If you can't do it at your place, just get a bunch of schwaggy seeds and plant up the countryside in a general area, so it's out of the way and if anyone found it it would look like ditch weed. But far enough that you can do basic tending and not be seen.

Then you can either pull the males, or leave them so that it re-seeds on it's own,if you plant densely enough.

And if bud grown that way's not potent enough for your taste, you can make hash!

 

Fraid those options are not available to me. Too risky here and even if I had started a guerrilla grow this year it's looking like it's going to turn out to be another atrocious summer so it wouldn't work, maybe if I was living further south. It's nearly june and I feel like putting the god damn heating on. It's been like this for the past few years as well, gulf stream has slowed down it seems. Hopefully it will be a temporary thing and our summers aren't going to get gradually worse from now on as some climatologists are suggesting. either way, I'm looking to find a way out, would like to move to southern europe ideally, maybe set myself up in ibiza. Right now I am sorta tired moving around all the time and struggling to survive (4 years in Holland) and I just need some space. A decent bit of hash to smoke when ever I want it would be nice, but at best all I can get is something to take the edge of the beer, and even then it's like once every few months that something half decent comes along.

We just elected our first majority SNP government to Scotland as well, and what's the first thing trout features wants to do? Minimum price on alcohol... not likely these cunts are going to legalise it. Oh no, that would create cannabis tourism and we don't want that..

Asides from the fact that if they DO slap a minimum price on alcohol, not that there ever hasn't been one anyway, it's just going to encourage more booze cruising across various borders from here.

Total fucking idiots the lots them...

 

Was thinking about this today, and IMO it really isn't going to work. In Nijmegen the coffeeshops I used to go to were full of Dutch, German, Belgian, Moroccan, Turkish...

Now what's going to happen if only those with Dutch nationality can buy weed is that they are obviously going to sell to friends. Non dutch nationals are still going to go to the coffeeshops and sit with their friends, who are going to pass joints to them and they are going to have their own and smoke their own, whether or not it is legal for them to possess it.

They might not buy it from there, but they can still go there (I would imagine) and buy drinks/play pool etc.. unless the government plans to make it illegal for non dutch nationals to enter coffeeshsop at all, which would be on a par with pre-WW2 eastern europe when jewish people were not allowed to go into certain establishments.

Nice one Geert, you fucking nazi!

 

All the British who are working over there will probably start sourcing it through the local Irish pubs, I reckon. Coffeeshops owners like to drink there and quite often managers from both establishments get preferential treatment, Irish pub owner looks after coffeeshop owner and vice versa.

The Moroccans will start dealing underground as well, if there is money to be made.

It simply wont work, and I'd be willing to put a small wager on this being scrapped by the end of the year.

 

btw to these americans who think nl is a shit country no one would gonna go to do you actually have a passport or have ever left the usa????

 

I was in Amsterdam this a few weeks ago. yes i found big changes with the smoking ban. coffee shops never refused to sell me weed or hash..
i was smoking a cigarette in one coffee shop and was asked to put it out.
smoke all the weed you want but not a cig. i know this is no answer to your question, but in the same coffee shop i bought €400 worth of the best hash to bring home. no questions asked.

 

I think the Dutch will regret this decsion in the long run, they will be shocked by the lack of tourism in the next few years. Big money talks, bs walks....

 

I really can't see this working in coffeeshsops in Nijmegen, where are large percentage of their customers are non-dutch nationals who have been going there for years. I can't honestly see them being turned away by so i think that in those cases they will get in, and they will smoke joints passed to them from friends at least, even if it is technically illegal for them to do so.

Then there is the question of the Moroccan run places. Some of them may have dutch nationality, but a lot of them wont...

I did wonder why they are doing this when it is quite clear that the current government in Holland would like to see an all out ban on coffeeshops, and it occurred to me that something else might be at play here. They KNOW it is not going to work, so in however many months/years time when that becomes self evident they might then try to pass another contingency bill through- an all out ban on cannabis/growing/possession altogether.

They might not have enough support in parliament to do that at present, however in the future when it all goes tits up they might.

And then of course they will start to see all the problems that other countries have because of the illegality of it, and it will all be caused by drugs...

 

A coffeeshop just posted on facebook that this law still must be approved by the Raad van State, the Dutch supreme court to see if it violates article 1 of the Dutch constitution which demands equal treatment for all people.

It's not over yet. Like I say, I can't at this stage see this actually happening.

 

I think even it it does happen, there will be a million and a half ways around it, as skip said, a dutch bank account, for one thing...... Make one, put a few bucks in to buy pot, go to amsterdam.

Isn't there an EU restriction that would prevent this, as WELL as the dutch constitutional restriction? Then it might still stop others, but if you're s citizen in an EU member state, you have full rights in every EU state, right? (sorry, could be wrong, I don't know a great deal about the EU, obviously) I mean, the EU might not be real quick to stand up for letting the rest of their citizens have equal treatement in their lawbreaking "toleration", but.... still, the businesses could try to bring it to the attention of the EU, as hurting an EU business by legally preventing the rest of the EU from patronizing it. Sort of a case, I think?

And besides, the coffee shops won't be that quick to cooperate, they're going to resent a good potion of their market being outlawed after many years, they're going to fight it on every local, dutch, and EU regulation they can think of.

 

It's very difficult to get an account with some Dutch banks. You have to be registered and that requires you to provide a lease for your accommodation and a contract for your job. When i tried to register they made it as difficult as possible and were asking for birth certificates and everything. I just gave up in the end. Some banks also require you to have lived in Holland for >5 years.

Most folks, like me, end up going with ABN AMRO and I don't think that would be enough to get you a coffeeshop membership..

 

Equal treatment for all people, can see that completely backfiring and them just banning it for the dutch as well as everyone else.

the majority of dutch people dislike the fact that their country is known for drug tourism (which is one reason it's being banned) and it is their country so even though i disagree with it being banned they live their and they have to put up with the shit which ties into their drug culture which does come with problems.

my dutch friends even tell me about how frowned upon weed use is, they smoked it in school and they were hated for it yet when i smoked it in school people were fine with it and thought it was pretty cool. also other dutch people i speak to don't really care about coffeeshops or drugs and people who go to the whorehouses are seen as low lifes.

 

erm birth certificate? i didn't think that was really much of a difficult document to obtain to be honest

 

What problems? Holland has less drug problems because of their up until now liberal attitude.

They don't like it if you tell them that the reason you came to holland was to smoke weed.

IME I have encountered as much, if not more cannabis discrimination over there than here. In my first job everyone looked down at me for smoking it. A lot of people who rent rooms also donot like you smoking it.

I had a high paid professional job when i first went over and I had to find a room, so I found this room that a fairly well off middle class family were renting. A lot of people were interviewed for the room and for some reason, because I had a good job and i was Scottish they loved me and I got the room.

But they had a son and a daughter living there who were getting on for leaving school age, so before I accepted the room I decided to be open and honest with them about the fact I smoked hash. I stressed that I also smoked it pure and also only hash (not weed) so it wold not smell much at all. She said that she would need to discuss it with her husband and would get back to me, and they didn't even phone me back to say no.

I went from hero to zero in one short phone call, all because I was a cannabis user.

It was for me at the time because it was on Scotland in my parent's loft and they didn't know where it was.

I could have sorted it out, I just couldn't be bothered.

way too much red tape in that country

 

Drug culture comes with problems like gangs and fights etc which has been reported in Dutch media. I don't personally read into it my friend who's been studying criminology for 30 years and very into Dutch culture tells me what's going on there as he reads it himself. Maybe making things illegal will make things worse but sadly i don't think people care they just want people to be labelled criminals i guess.

Mushrooms were banned due to tourists getting fucked up and doing mental stuff, even though i think drugs should be legalized i don't really blame them for banning it too much.

the tolerant attitude has been slipping away out there for ages.

 

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There is a lot of corruption in Holland like that, I think probably because there is so much red tape.

 

My dreams = crushed.......

Goddammit.. Obama trying to stamp out medicinal marijuana, dutch keeping the cannabis all for themselves.

WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO?

 

Very true and its mostly about so much money made from tourist