Eastern Gate: An Atheist's Worst Nightmare

The Bible is flawless and everything in there is the truth.

 

Oh, wow. That just convinced me. Praise Zod. This is where your blindness lies. The bible was written by men, not god. God had people kill, commit adultery, and many other things forbidden in the same book. It is flawless only to someone who wants so much to believe that this is so that he can ignore the most obvious example of a flaw.

Thank you for answering my question, though. That doeesn't seem to happen often.

 

First I would point out that the Old Gate was more than just a Gate, it was also a building. Secondly, porches are also built on flat roofs. If you do a little research you will find this to be the case. And thirdly, the New Gate is related to the Old Gate because the Old Gate is the foundation for the New Gate. Both structures are fully intact and are physically connected together. The new Gate is the addition to the Old Gate. And that is what a porch is, it is an addition to an existing building. And it is attached to the Old Gate, and it is sealed as the prophecy said it would be.

 

I would say the one's who are blind are those who have to work at ignoring the prophecies of the Bible. I just believe in the obvious.

 

I mean exactly what I said, you pharisee.

"Then the Pharisees went and plotted how they might entangle Him in His talk."

 

You try to use the Bible against me yet you do not believe it fully yourself... doesn't make sense

 

If we can't believe in God's Holy Word the Bible. What can we trust in?
I just take God at His Word. And I never call Gods Word a fable as some do.

 

God does not make up stories, He speaks only the truth. It was the Jews who made up stories, not Jesus. And you might take note, the Bible states that anyone who calls a man a fool is in danger of Hell fire. Mathew 5:22. Just a reminder.

 

If these scriptures were so profound, where are their prophecies that would show them to be inspired? That's the problem with all of these other religions and their books. They are all fluff, with no evidence. The Bible is far different, and offers the proof of prophecy. You have made your statement, now show us how they are inspired, show us the proof.

 

David, if you know anything about the prophecies, they do not fit the text. They are anomalys. They often leave the reader scratching his head. The early Jewish Rabbies understood this, and that is why the early Jews had a handle on Scripture. Only in recent years have the more liberal Jewish theologians moved away from this understanding. Of the 300 Old Testament anomalys, only one man in history fulfilled them all. And He did this not by chance or luck, but by design. If you consider the prophecies in Ezekiel 36,37,38,and 39. You will discover the modern theologian has a harder time explaining these prophecies away.

 

Thanks Spook. I haven't quite figured out the game most of the people in here are playing but it does seem reason is against the rules.

Thanks David. I was telling a friend about this site recently. I told her it's not the best place to go if you want to learn about christianity but it's a great place to go to study how people minds work (or don't).

 

Well keep in mind, that the Bible states that the natural man will not understand the things of the Spirit. If you are void of a desire to know God, the Bible will make little sense to you. And you will spend you life trying to explain it away, rather then imbrace it. The prophecies are anomolies. The prophecies of Christ in the Old Testament number 300. Only Jesus Christ fulfilled those 300. And he did this not by chance. Also if you read the prophecies, sometimes it's hard to make any sense out of the text, because without understanding that the anomolies are prophecies, the text often makes no sense. Let me give you an example. Explain Ezekiel 38 to me. Can you tell me what time in history this event took place? Let's see how your mind works.

 

When it is time to use the bible to rebuke you, I do. Your understanding of what is written in the bible is faulty. I know the bible is from God and has essential truth within it. I also know that those who do not know God (such as yourself) misinterprete the bible.

There are fables and parables within the bible. They are not meant to be taken literally. They are meant to be understood with the help of God.

"And He said, “To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that
‘ Seeing they may not see,
And hearing they may not understand.' "

 

God creates all things. Do you not understand the meaning of verse 7 from Isaiah 45?

"I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the LORD, do all these things.’ "

The light is truth. Darkness is lies. God creates both. You reject God by rejecting the teaching of the bible and claiming it says something other than what it says.

Simply another lie from your corrupt mind. Within the bible, Jesus speaks in parables (short ficticious stories used to illustrate a moral principle).

Yeah. It's generally a bad idea to call someone a fool. It creates useless dischord. Of course, there are times when a fool must be called a fool.

 

Matthew 12:38-40
"Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Do you understand that this sign has already been sent?

To desire a sign from God through ancient prophecy is to be adulterous to God. To not credit God with what occurs, to not see God's actions in all things that happen is to be adulterous to God.

To require a sign of God is to be adulterous to God. To accept that God flows through all things is to be faithful to God. This is were you stumble, your reliance upon a sign for God to show you that God flows through all things.

 

Oh yes, this is a gem! When you believe the earth is 6000 years old, you obviously don't have the concept of obvious down.

 

It only says that in the New testament. Sorry but you can't use a text as proof of it's own validity without any corrobarrating evidence.

exp:Joe says he's not a liar therfore he must be telling the truth.

If you have an agenda, you can make the bible (or anything else) mean anything you want it too.

I notice you don't list studying it as an option.

I see. so if I take "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" and apply it to the world as it is now I can call it an "anomilie", declare Dickens a prophet, and start telling people A Tale of Two Cities is the infallible word of god?

Well lets see...it's talking about a concerted effort against Isreal by a multi-national force, "mountains falling down"..."a flooding downpour and hailstones, fire, and brimstone I shall rain down upon him and his bands"..
Answer--never.
I don't see how quoting a prophiecy that hasn't come true yet supports your point.
Also I'll say this again; it's not the old testament prophecies I have a problem with (therefore equating these descriptions with modern day weaponry doesn't support your point). I fully believe that there have been people in history who actually were hooked into some kind of transcendant knowledge, and that the old testament prophets may well be examples of this.
It's the christian interpretation of these prophecies I have a problem with.

I notice you're proceeding from the presumption that if someone doesn't accept your interpretation of the prophecies he must not believe in prophecy in general.

It's the same logic christians use when they say "If you're not a christian than obviously you're an atheist so how do you explain creation?"

Hows this; I think ferraris are the only true car, therfore if you don't own a ferrari you obviously don't believe in internal combustion in which case how do you explain all the cars on the road?

See how ridiculous this is?


I'm familiar with the practice by modern christians of selecting certain portions of a text and ignoring the rest in order to validate their interpretation of prophecy. You've stated that ancient Jewish scholars did the same thing. Can you show that this is true?

 

The structure above ground is the porch, the structure below ground is the building and Gate, but also is the foundation for the Gate we see.

 

Could you show us in the Bible where it states that Jesus Words are but fables?

 

Parables are stories with meanings... When Jesus spoke in parables and He told one story to describe another.

Your statements are contrary to the Bible. You do not believe the Bible is 100% accurate just as its states. Specifically, you think that the Eatern Gate is just a myth tell that to God... as He still continues to hold the porch sealed just as he promised