Eastern Gate: An Atheist's Worst Nightmare

Sorry your wrong on that assumption, because Christ fulfilled the three hundred prophecies of the Old Testament. The Old Testament told us ahead of time where Jesus would be born, why Jesus was coming, how He would die, and why He would die. Christ life was fortold a thousand years before he was even born.
For you to know this, you would have to understand the prophecies of the Old Testament. And the Bible told us what to look for just before Christ would return again. It states that the Jews would return to Israel, retake Jerusalem. And Jerusalems East Gate would remain sealed until Christ returned and opened it. And all attempts to open the Gate would fail. (They have.) Our faith is not blind, but sadly, your understanding of the Scripture is.

 

I posted this in another thread, but I never got a response.

For very different look at Revelation (and other books of prophecy) and its interpretation, consider partial preterism (explained here)

And for a more complete study, try the links here

Campbell, JD4U, I am very interested to see what you make of the articles in these links.

 

Campbell...all in all, good response and answers, thanks. There are some discussable points, but it'll have to wait for later, don't have time now.

The main obstacle in our being able to really communicate about spiritual matters is that as a Christian, you believe that the truth is to be found solely in the Bible; I, as a Hindu, believe that the truth is found in Hindu, Buddhist, etc., scriptures, as well as the Bible.

 

Sadly, you dont know anything about my understanding of the Scripture, nor about my faith.

 

Fool, you do not even listen to the word of God which echos throughout the scriptures of all faiths, including your own. You consistently ignore the correction I give you and claim that God is not the author of confusion, when I have given you the bible which states:

"The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. "

However, God has not disciplined you to releave you of yours yet. Are you ready?

And God will show you the folly of ignorance.

 

Jesus



[comment: Some Christians, 'Pagans,' Buddhists and others strive to the above statement; reflecting on the self, on what is good and correct.]
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By stating that all religions are correct... you have no validity becuase it is a huge contradtion.

 

Could it be akin to stating that one langauge is correct ?



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I understand this, that you were unaware that the New Testament is a mirror Image of the prophecies of the Old Testament. If the New Testament was just a story without support, I would not believe it as well. Yet, I understood this, you did not. And that is why you stated what you did.

 

Well in my world we have a Book called the Holy Bible that is packed with evidence of God's existance. If in your world, you should ever see this Book and read it, you will discover that the evidence for God's existance is so strong, that your belief in Him would not be blind.

 

The prophecy of the end time is pretty detailed, I know there are those who try to present past events as fulfilling some of the prophecies, yet I believe it requires some real jumps of faith, and imagination to believe their attempt at doing this has much to do with the facts. If you read the prophecies you soon understand that these prophecies are for the future. The prophecy of the mark of the beast and the 666 has little to do with the past. For this will be instituded during the reign of the future anti-Christ. It will be a mark that the whole world will be forced to receive, and not just the known world. All who refuse this mark will be put to death. This all happens after Jacobs trouble. Also according to the Bible those who receive the mark will be tormented by the Angles of God. I don't recall anything like that happening in the past. As you read more of the text, you have to ask yourself why anyone would even try to say there prophecies were fulfilled in the past. Simply, the text will not support that position.

 

If you ever figure out that there is a person like me in your world, then try to grasp the idea that you know nothing about her. I do believe in God, i did believe in christianity. It gave me a few fucked up years, and some good moments. Now im doubting it more then ever and just trying to find out who God exactly is and who i can trust when it comes to people who tell me who He is. I read the bible often, and other books aswell. Ill never not believe in God, i just dont know who He is right now. What annoys me is that you reply as if you know whats in my mind, what i do and dont believe, as if ive never picked up a bible and what not.

 

I did know about the prophecies, but many of which ive read were vague, and couldve happened at other times. Im just not too sure wether i can trust the New Testament as a record of history. It couldve been edited (and im sure it has been), made to look like something it was not.

And once again: Please stop thinking you know what goes on in my mind and why i do the things i do.

 

Wasnt the true number 616?

 

Mrytje,


I have been blessed, in my life thus far, to have had discourses with many people who, to my awareness, are open and honest; and I have found these discussions to be wonderful and often I have learned quite a bit about life. I have found that there are many different people with many different beliefs where often times these "different beliefs" are different ways of saying things that are the same or very similar, and this is not to detract from the fact that there are many different ways of seeing and explaining life. I have also seen it, often, where people will threaten others and/or become "war like" apparently only because those "others" have beliefs that are different than thier own beliefs.

When I was growing up, as a child, I was blessed to encounter some people who transfered an awareness to me about embracing my experience in order to find truth as I see it, and to have faith in the importance and power of the truth in my own life; this faith that I refer to has been further strenghtened by the results of personal honesty and by having "sincereity in seeking."

I have found that I am always doing "spiritual work." I have also found that when I am "alone," and do not appear to have direct connection with others who are sincere and honest, to be kind but steadfast, to do as always and remain focused on my own spiritual work because this is correct and because this has, to me, always proven to be the nature of my connection to existence.

With Respect and Blessing,

David


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"Fool, you do not even listen to the word of God which echos throughout the scriptures of all faiths, including your own."

Fool, you did not even understand the words that I wrote!

"The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. "

Your words do not benefit God or result in the edification of faith! You spread ignorance, slander, and accusation against the other faiths that God has given to those that God loves. You are on the side of ignorance (Satan: the accuser or slanderer- that which accuses God's works as evil).

You forsake God's immense love when you deny that God has given God's children that which is good for them. Your constant ignorance of God's love puts you on the side of evil (ignorance). Change your ways boy, before it is too late and you have to feel the fire of discipline.

I was sent for your benefit. Start listening!

 

In Latin it is 616 and it is 666 in Greek. Which is funny, because NERO CEASAR is 616 in Latin and 666 in Greek.

 

Really? How do you know that without assuming that the scriptures were written to you?

Yeah, never mind that NERO CEASAR reads as 666 using the Hebrew letters to numbers conversion. Never mind that he called himself "the Beast". Oh yeah, let's also ignore that the mark of the beast is clear symbolism for thought (the mark on the head) and action (the mark on the hand) as was consistent with colloquialisms of the day. Oh yeah, and those that are "marked of God"... they have a literal mark too right?

So you are forcing the word "world" to mean "all people in existence everywhere." Can you justify this understanding?

And what would angelic torment be like? How would you recognize it? Oh yeah, if you use Revelation to back up your explanation, you are begging the question since we are discussing the proper interpretation of the book.

You didn't even read it, did you? You just re-stated your position without answering ANYTHING brought up in the articles. How do you justify your position in spite of clear time text indicators? If you can interpret "near" to mean "far" and "soon" to mean "later," then you really can interpret the scriptures anyway you want...

Let's try an excercise. Matthew 26:

26:62 So the high priest stood up and said to him, “Have you no answer? What is this that they are testifying against you?” 26:63 But Jesus was silent. The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” 26:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

What does "sitting at the right hand of the Power and coming on the clouds of heaven" mean?

 

First of all, Jesus states: whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." (Matt. 5:22)


Perhaps I was sent to correct your contrary beliefs of the Bible

Please answer this question:

Can someone of another faith go to heaven?

 

And at this time can you tell me who had a 200 million man army or can you symbolize that away?