Eastern Gate: An Atheist's Worst Nightmare

See! If you jus use circular logic, all yer problems are answered.

 

I have explain this time after time on here.... scientific archaeologic and prophetic proof is what seperates christianity from all other religions:

Here look at my site: http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/proof

 

I thought I would bring this thread back from over a year ago because I liked the title and still have not heard answer...

In a nutshell, God said well over 2000 years ago in Ezekiel that when this gate found in Jerusalem facing east is sealed that it will remain sealed until the messiah returns and walks through it. It was sealed in 1517 and it still remains sealed today after almost 500 years and after several attempts to falsify the prophecy.

Interestingly enough, in Ezekiel it states that the messiah would not walk though the original gate but a porch of the gate which was an addition to the orginal. How could Ezekiel even know about such an addition hundreds of years before it was built. On top that, how would he have know that it would be sealed and when the gate was sealed, it would remained closed until the messiah reveals himself and is exalted. Furthermore, the fulfillment was not brought about by those who believed the prophecy but those who did not believe the Bible.



P.S. This is the same gate that Jesus road through when He was exalted riding on a donkey on Palm Sunday... perhaps a little foreshadowing?

 

ROFLMAO!!!!!

 

Thanks fuzzy and libertine for perfect examples for what I was talking about... I continue to wait... the gate still stands and so does my faith...

 

Ok, JDFU...just answer me one question.

How does a Gate and an unfulfilled "prophecy" prove the existence of your God?

 

It gives evidence to the Bible that shows that the Bible is exactly what is says it is "Inspired by God." Through the Bible we know there is a God. Mere men cannot predict the future with such detail, without any error.

Although you are against me Libertine... I appreciate a post without mindless dribble that I have been getting from someone else on the forums...

 

In a nutshell, God said well over 2000 years ago in Ezekiel that when this gate found in Jerusalem facing east is sealed that it will remain sealed until the messiah returns and walks through it. It was sealed in 1517 and it still remains sealed today after almost 500 years and after several attempts to falsify the prophecy.

Interestingly enough, in Ezekiel it states that the messiah would not walk though the original gate but a porch of the gate which was an addition to the orginal. How could Ezekiel even know about such an addition hundreds of years before it was built? On top that, how would he have know that it would be sealed and when the gate was sealed, it would remained closed until the messiah reveals himself and is exalted? Furthermore, the fulfillment was not brought about by those who believed the prophecy but those who did not believe the Bible.


Mere men cannont predict the future (in detail) with a 100% accuracy. You would call in amazing coincidence, I call it an amazing God incidence...

Please explain the bolded questions I have asked time after time...

Nice to finally see SOME sign of life in ya fuzzy

 

So, this interpretation you have of an unfulfilled prophecy and the existence of this historical artifact proves that the entire Bible is "inspired by God" and 100% true and accurate from a literal standpoint?!?

See, this kind of logic is what puzzles me.

Through the Bible we KNOW there is a God? So, this is how you know there is a "God"? This book says so and is apt to being interpreted and shoehorned to fit your belief system? Mere men can predict future events, sure. And many have done so without error. Does that make them "gods"?

The future has been predicted even by SCIENTISTS in detail...and it has proven true. The future has been predicted by "psychics" and those things came to pass too. And so with the Bible...

However, this does not prove the whole Bible is 100% literally TRUE, nor the existence of the omni-max entity it calls "God".

I am not against you. I am merely a skeptic who questions authority or authoritative claims.

 

Libertine, if you aren't with them you are against them

 

If the bible was a book of lies, the Eastern Gate wouldn't be standing. Jesus wouldn't have fulfilled over a thousand prophecies.

 

Wait up, Erise. I never said the Bible was a book of lies. You are generalizing by saying either it is ALL lies or ALL truth.

What I said was that there are truths in the Bible, but that one truth or hundred truths do not make the entire book true, nor do one or two lies make it all lies. However, since you all like to claim 100% inerrancy, even ONE untruth would kill your argument and you'd have to prove beyond any doubt that ALL of it was true.

HASTY GENERALIZATION and the EITHER/OR fallacies going on here. *tsk tsk*

I would like you to respond to my responses directed at JDFU, since he isn't going to touch them.

 

The sun rises every day and we believe that it will rise the next day based on the trend... Likewise, the Bible has never been wrong on it's prophecies and has no errors why should I start believe that it will no longer be stating the truth. The Bible itself says it is a book of truth and it can be depended on. Of course, I will check for myself (Question authority ), but from the fulfilled prophecies and from the historical accounts I see what the Bible declares is the truth.

 

The Bible has never been wrong on it's prophecies and has no errors ???

According to you and your interpretation, not according to others and their interpretations.

It's truly close-minded to ignore other "predictions" that can be apologized away through semantics (just like you and the others have done with the formerly demolished "Eastern Gate", etc.) Anything can be apologized away, thus such UNFULFILLED prophecies are not proof of the TOTALITY OF TRUTH of the Bible nor a GOD.

 

Ah...yah.

Now we're talking a porch.

Hmmm...O-K.

 

Libertine I have been talking about a porch the whole time and so did Ezekiel 2500 years ago... Look at my original post... IF you read it fully

In a nutshell, God said well over 2000 years ago in Ezekiel that when this gate found in Jerusalem facing east is sealed that it will remain sealed until the messiah returns and walks through it. It was sealed in 1517 and it still remains sealed today after almost 500 years and after several attempts to falsify the prophecy.

Interestingly enough, in Ezekiel it states that the messiah would not walk though the original gate but a porch of the gate which was an addition to the orginal. How could Ezekiel even know about such an addition hundreds of years before it was built. On top that, how would he have know that it would be sealed and when the gate was sealed, it would remained closed until the messiah reveals himself and is exalted. Furthermore, the fulfillment was not brought about by those who believed the prophecy but those who did not believe the Bible.

 

Was the gate sealed or the porch?

And exactly which is it?

Will he walk through a gate? or on a porch?

I think I should've left MrRee to discuss gates and porches with you, because frankly, I fail to see how a gate/porch and an unfulfilled prophecy along with a bunch of interpretations of what has been and what is to come is convincing enough to make me believe the 100% TRUTH of the Bible or Sky Daddy.

 

So jesus would have to dig a tunnel to go through the gate, no? Does a new one count?

If I were to blow a hole in that wall and walk through it, would that mean that I'm jesus?

I think the reason nobody has done it recently is not that they aren't jesus, it's that there are plenty of fundies that would be more than willing to gun you down before you can walk up to it. Christianity would not be very happy to have an atheist do that, hmm?

 

The messiah will walk through the porch of the gate... says that right in the passage...

Then the man brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, the one facing east, and it was shut. The LORD said to me, "This gate is to remain shut. It must not be opened; no one may enter through it. It is to remain shut because the LORD, the God of Israel, has entered through it. The prince himself is the only one who may sit inside the gateway to eat in the presence of the LORD. He is to enter by way of the portico (porch... which had not been built till hundreds of years later) of the gateway and go out the same way."