Eastern Gate: An Atheist's Worst Nightmare

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by campbell34, Jul 7, 2004.

  1. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    If you blew a hole in the porch of the gate you would prove the prophecy wrong which would prove the Bible wrong and which then would prove Christianity wrong.

    I say go for it, and see what happens... but I am confident in my God's word... There have been past attempt to falsify the Golden Gate prophecy-none have succeeded... The gate still stands and so does my faith
     
  2. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    So, is this porch attached to the gate? And how can he come through a previously destroyed...er BURIED gate? Why didn't Ezekiel mention that?

    And this is an unfulfilled "prophecy", is it not?
     
  3. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    The FACTS are pointless.

    No man has walked on Mars, either. It doesn't prove that God says we can't.
     
  4. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    RE: you either have FACT or you have FAITH

    I prefer the former to the latter.

    RE: is the gate on Mars? You have totally lost me with that statement

    No. Why would it be?
     
  5. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    RE: My question was that i didnt understand why you quote me, saying it was a victory for Libertine?

    Cause Libertine said something intelligent and you didn't.

    Win/lose is not about convincing you. You've already said your mind is made up and facts are immaterial.
     
  6. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Why didn't the Bible mention Ezekiel's eye color too... God has his reasons for what He puts in the Bible and what He doesn't...

    At the time Ezekiel wrote the prophecy it was hundreds of years before the addition of the porch was added, how could he even know such an addition would be added and when it was added it would be sealed... it has been almost 500 years and it still remains sealed.
     
  7. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    1)The Gate would be sealed = fulfilled

    2)It would not be the original gate but an addtion of the gate that would be sealed = fulfilled

    3) Anyone who would try to enter the gate would fail. To this date all have failed = partially fulfilled

    4) When the Gate is sealed it will remain sealed. To this date it still remains sealed = partially fulfilled

     
  8. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    You said you either have faith or fact.

    We're arguing fact. I presumed you are arguing for faith.
     
  9. FreakerSoup

    FreakerSoup Stranger

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    Well, you may guess, but I'm not going to be up for this anytime soon. So, using this as a hypothetical situation, what would happen? Say I went there with 30 pounds of c4 and a small mercenary army. What do you think would stop me? Would the wall resist the explosion? Would god strike me down? Would some non-miraculous thing happen to achieve the same result?
     
  10. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    RE: you said the facts were pointless

    I said YOUR facts were pointless. As in, they don't arrive at the conclusions you suggest.
     
  11. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    The absence of proof is not proof of absence.
     
  12. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Ha. See, you say that to people not believing in God. The funny thing is, when you finally know God exists, God is gonna remind you of everything you said about God just to scare the shit outa you before God let's you know it's all right.
     
  13. JesusDiedForU

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    Yes what you should look at is that Bible cleary said exactly what has happened... that is it would sealed and it would the PORCH of the gate that would be sealed.

    However, interestingly enough the last two are right on track on being fulfilled. That is the porch of the gate will remained sealed until the Messiah returns to shows His Glory. AND no one will enter through the porch of the gate and all that attempt to enter it will fail.
     
  14. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    I am not sure what would happen... The times that I know of when their were attempts to enter the porch of the gate was during times of war and they were stopped by other armies.
     
  15. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    For the record, if someone was to walk through the porch of the gate and it was not the Messiah, I, JesusDiedForU, would renounce Christiananity.

    The structure proves nothing?.... When Ezekiel wrote the prophecy of how the messiah would enter the porch of the gate... the porch of the gate was not even built yet... how could he have known about such an addition when it had not even been built until hundreds of years down the road (and don't tell me that was vague)?

    On top of that, Ezekiel wrote that the PORCH of the gate would be sealed. But let me emphasize this again, the porch did not even exist when Ezekiel wrote about it but he gets more specific and says not only would the Messiah walk through the PORCH of the gate but the gate would sealed and when it is sealed it would not be re-opened until the Messiah returns.

    Well the gate was sealed in 1517 and TO THIS DAY, almost 500 years later, it still remains closed...
     
  16. JesusDiedForU

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    When the porch of the gate was built

    This (porch of the) gate was built in the sixteenth century, long after New Testament times. Several years ago, the Herodion remains were accidentally uncovered below this gate, indicating that it was probably built over the one used when Jesus visited the temple.


    Why was the porch of the gate SEALED?

    This prophecy was partially fulfilled more than 400 years ago in 1517 when the Turks conquered Jerusalem under the leadership of Suleiman the Magnificent (ARAB). He commanded that the city's ancient walls be rebuilt, and in the midst of this rebuilding project, for some unknown reason, he ordered that the Eastern Gate be sealed up with stones.

    Legends abound as to why Suleiman closed the Gate. The most believable one is that while the walls were being rebuilt, a rumor swept Jerusalem that the Messiah was coming. Suleiman called together some Jewish rabbis and asked them to tell him about the Messiah. They described the Messiah as a great military leader who would be sent by God from the east. He would enter the Eastern Gate and liberate the city from foreign control.

    Suleiman then decided to put an end to Jewish hopes by ordering the Eastern Gate sealed. He also put a Muslim cemetery in front of the Gate, believing that no Jewish holy man would defile himself by walking through a Muslim cemetery.
     
  17. JesusDiedForU

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    Okay, if Jesus, himself, could not walk through the gate, I JDFU would deny him and his words.
     
  18. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    So, the East Gate is sealed because Muslim's believe Jews and Christians want to harm them, or, at least, degrade their faith in favor of something else, right?

    If I am reading this correctly, Islam holds the key to the Jewish prophecy about the appearance, or re-appearance, of the Messiah, or Christ (the Greek translation of Messiah), yes?

    So what if Christianity and Judaism and Islam were to make peace with one another? What if Christians, Jews and Muslims were to wake up, look at reality and finally realize that their faiths truly are just variations of one another? (For what it's worth, so is Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Taoism, and so on). It is really all about creating some peace and trust and love and expanding consciousness and discussing truth and sharing wisdom and living the good life with your fellow humans.

    Who wouldn't want that? Is that so hard to achieve? Does any one have a better idea?

    If you could inspire people to trust one another and make that happen, then the gate would be opened for you, gladly.

    Peace and Love
     
  19. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    On the other hand, maybe this is all just crazy talk, maybe we should all mind our own business and just go on living in a world where you you have to worry about staying on the Fundamentalists' and Jihadis' "good" side.

    Peace and Love
     
  20. JesusDiedForU

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    He will try in our life time... If He can part a sea then I surely trust He get through a gate...
     

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