ego death ???

I'm familiar with the notion, but I just don't believe that you can "be" that awareness, because in that moment who is the "you" that is "being"?
It's just ego attempting to be the absolute, or be whatever it's idea of the absolute is.

 

Maybe not become it , but participate in it at least for sure.

 

This is one of the basis for vows of silence. What I have noticed, is that the more time you spend in this state of conscious awareness, the more novel and innovative our dexterity in managing the chores of daily life. No more ruts. Previously intractable irritants seem to dissolve before new perspectives.

 

I will have to say that I notice the same thing, it's the maintaining it that can present a challenge at times.

...the irony is that it's all in my mind.....

 

I experience it every once in a while. Contradictorily I must say that whenever I experience my long phases of ego-death, I am most free inside and out, and most peaceful, and most unfocused on myself, and I am most focused on what is going on around me (PHYSICALLY,not mentally, of course!). I feel most alive when I am able to just Experience(passive), and not Live(active).

Ego-death in my opinion, IS -emotional,at least- truth. It is the real world. The ego is the fake world.

 

Yeah, that's a good way of putting it, but aren't we participating in it at all times?

 

i mean i dont know maybe im different, but acid makes the chatter in my head pretty loud.

 

I sense of I is deconstructed, your awareness spreads from the individual self to the universal self, the feeling of I is now the feeling of you being the whole universe, and you ego is just little ego floating within you. You separateness is lost and you realize you are apart of this organic unity of life.

 

So, your sense of I is deconstructed and then your sense of I isn't deconstructed.
Your ego is your sense of self.
You are not the whole universe.

 

pure awareness devoid of personality or motive, not assessing and assigning,
just experiencing without muddying that which is being experienced with our own interpretations that would conveniently categorize it and box and shelve it in the cubby holes of the mind where everything has a place and everything is in it's place. I don't go about in that state normally. Maybe we are referencing two different states of consciousness.

Ego death to me is more than just the sloughing off of all the conditioned responses and roles that comprise our daily routine, but a state of neutral involvement in the cosmic play with full awareness of the play before you.
It is a paradoxical state of being fully a participant and fully a neutral observer.
For me it transcends all language, definitions, rules, and it just is.

The whole thing can be summed up as "It is" the experience truelly defies any further definiton other than "it is".

That is my feeble attempt to put in words that which defies language.
Then again I could be completely wrong, I often am.

 

bad choice of words. i should have said experience, not see.

 

You know it is quite funny, but the maintaining happens regardless. It is the undisciplined regard of mind that leads to the miscreant use of mind called accident. There are no idle thoughts, the least concern is the same as the greatest devotion.

 

I didn't say you could consciously access this space by taking acid, although you may do so while taking acid.

 

OK.
So then who is the "you" that is experiencing?

 

that would be whoever is experiencing the ego death.

 

...what? so are you saying that someone else experiences you and me?

 

Our awareness is beyond space and time, we are anywhere and everywhere, we all spread through the whole universe, the universe is lying inside of ourselves, we are the universe. We are the one, the whole, the only I there is, but because of the ego, we believe seperate, we see different, we see as I am this or that, instead of purely I am.

 

but how can we be so sure of this while we remain seperate despite what we think about reality? couldnt the whole be just as much of a trick as the seperate?

 

The perception that we are separate is fostered by the witness of the body. We identify with the body but we are not body. Loose an arm you are no less you.

 

I am really enjoying this discussion.

Too often vague responses are allowed and not questioned!