ego death ???

I'll buy that as far as it goes. In it's finest sense it is an amalgam of energy.

 

I think you may have a misconception of what this so called "ego-death" experience is. It most definitely is not long lasting or permanent. It is a fleeting glimpse at best. I would venture to say that for those who have actually experienced the true phenomenon of ego-death that it lasted mere minutes. It is not a state of consciousness that is conducive to the daily survival of the animal to say the least. Ego death isn't just feeling like we are all connected yada,yada. It is a very specific state of consciousness even unique from the psychedelic state of consciousness that often precipitates it.

To me it sounds as though you are equating it with an attitude of selflessness and service to others. Those are both aspects of the experience, but they are not the experience itself.

Quite frankly the only way to truly and destroy ones ego necessitates the destruction of the person as a whole, better known as death.

 

What happens from ego death and what ego death actually is are two different points. Ego-death is the cessation of the ego, it is seeing how things truly are without the interpretation of this ego. You not an ego, you are consciousness, you are the one witnessing the ego. This is the realization once the ego dies.

Now the experience that happens after the ego dies is what is amazing! Once the ego is gone, there is no interpreter of good and bad, what is is just what is, and what is is utterly blissful! You experience pure consciousness, freedom from the body and minds bandages, you witness reality directly, and realize the great complexities thy lie behind it.

You begin to witness the great happening, the great masterpiece that is unfolding all around you. You ego doesn't always have to die completely, it happens in layers, in stages. First your ego dampens, you start to forget yourself, and you feel peaceful, part of the whole. Then as it gets deeper and deeper, you begin to transcend, inexplicable things begin to happen, you experience pure subjectivity, you leave space and time behind. You become pure.

 

just ignore everything i said tonight i had 400ml of ethanol pumping in my blood. it was all bs.

 

obviously you know what i'm saying. how would what you just said even be possible?

 

well i dont know, bt im wondering how ego death is possible too

 

but yea that was kinda dumb lol sorry

 

If ego is body identification then ego dissolution is the sense of being without body, without confine, without proportion, unbounded.

 

imo ego death is a pretty simple concept. ego death is a temporary cessation from all the conditions we have come to know and identify with. that which we ordinarily use to define ourselves as individuals. (how we expirience ourselves) ...our history, fears, loves, dreams, illusions, body, mind, emotional responces, ect.
take it away and whats left? a very simple awarness, and the expirience of a condition that isnt limited by our identity.
ordinarily to be in the world means to percieve the world as self, everything we see reflects aspects of our condition, everything is subjected to our judgements...
its useful to forget yourself every once in a while so that you can see everything else.

so that brings up this realization we need to come to terms with, that outside the limits of our ego, there is only an absolute universal awarness. yes, i am that...you are too. and from an absolute universal perspective there is no seperation between us, anymore than ripples on a pond are seperate from water. from this position we can call them as seperate and we can call them same.

concousness (or awarness) i think is the substance that is responsible for holding matter in existance. but i feel...more trully, it is the void (absence of awarness) that is responsible for holding the whole of creation. ...but this dynamic i struggle with, and have a harder time speaking clearly about.
more and more, i suspect that absolute universal conciousness and void are synonyms....but havent yet unraveled this mystery on a personal level.

 

so then its doesnt has to be a cosmic thing exactly, but discipline of the mind? like free from desire, attachment, that sort of thing? is that why pb smith is saying it only lasts a few minutes?

 

yea its mind bending, to say the least

 

No it doesn't has to be a cosmic thing, doesn't need to be all woo wooey, you may regard yourself however you like. I can't speak for pbsmith, although I enjoy speaking with him.

 

so i think i did experience this then, but i didnt come away with the same impression as some of you guys. i guess how we remember it will be different, but while its happening, its the same for everyone

 

Magic_rocks, this, ^ is a pretty good summation of what the experience is.
As far as it being as state of detachment from desire and such, lose all those conceptions that would try to fit it into a religious box, it transcends religion and religious thought.
You are over-thinking this WAY too much. Relax, forget about the whole concept, get some quality doses and take a healthy dose, relax, and let the experience come to you, you will recognize it after you've experienced it.

 

thanks pb smith, i am over analyzing this lol. i just wanted to get an explanation but obviously its a personal thing that is beyond words! ill stop bothering people about it and come back after this weekend, im supposed to be getting 4 hits so we see what happens

 

you people make me wish i had lsd. i'm not used to envy, you bastards.

 

It's been many years for me, I am a little green myself, but I know who my dad is.

 

Traveler and landscape fuse into one continuous entity. That which experiences is that which is being experienced.

Am I really all the things that are outside of me?

 

No.

 

Yes, at the very least as far as the part of you that is composed of matter.
Actually also the part of you that is composed of energy.
It just happens to be arranged in a certain configuration that has resulted in the temporeal energy/matter entity that is refererred to as "you".
Don't need no hocus-pocus, Great god in the sky for it niether, it's just how the universe as we understand it thus far operates, simple physics.