Egypt: Mubarak Refuses to Step Down, Protests, Looting Continues

1) Read the link that I put in my last post. It'll explain what your feeling and why.

2) Revolutions due to public uprisings are nothing new. They're as old as politics.

What IS NEW is a revolution stopping at the half-way mark without serious blood shed. (Ie. Streets filled with blood)

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Even if I buy the line that the Internet started this.
Then it's going to be the Internet that finishes it. And the way it's going to end is that the " * powers-that-be * " will manipulate this uprising to their benefit.

The United States is now interfering and the revolution is lost. Any reforms they will win at the end of this, will be erased in 5 or so years and even more strict controling (and perhaps subtle) reforms will be instituted.

 

Media has always been important to revolution, it's just a question of what form the media is in, in this era it's social media and facebook is king. Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" is often noted as helping to inspire revolution furor in the colonies, but it's impact is understated. Proportionally to the number of people who lived in the colonies at the time, it was the facebook of its day, 500,000 copies sold in 1776 alone in an era where the thirteen colonies had about 3.5 million people. It's still proportionally the largest selling book in American history.

My point is whether anyone likes it or not, Facebook is Egypt's 21st century version of "Common Sense"

Also LL how do you live though life when you think everything that happens is in someway linked back to a giant NWO, CIA whatever plan. Why are you even posting on the internet if you're that paranoid. Any idiot who took some freshmen computer classes can probably track your IP.
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I'm not in Egypt but I know more about what's going on and the ultimate outcome than they do, I also know this is all a CIA plot and anything that gets done will just be an illusion because all of history has been controlled by a NWO.

 

He's stepping down! Hallelujah! arty: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41506482/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/?gt1=43001

 

I'm pretty sure that I just heard a protester from Egypt tell CNN that if Mubarack steps down tonight (which is the going rumour) that the protesters will then stick around to protest the V.P who will, by default, take power.

The V.P is good friends with Mubarack.

 

Mubarack is officially stepping down tonight on television.


The military will then be in power.

 

So in the end.. i wonder what will happen relations wise with the US.. what if they elect someone who doesn't want to deal with the US?... our strongest middle-east-ish partner will be gone

 

Some of the Egyptian protesters want to cut ties with the US. They're pissed off with the US presence in their country.

 

Egypt is not going to cut their ties with us. A lot of people in Egypt hate the US, so what, a lot of people in the US hate the US. Egyptians only hate us as far as they can before the $2 billion in aid gets cut off. Not to mention if the military is taking over, the Egyptian military is basically our BFFL.

 

Apparently Mubarack is not stepping down now. People are pissed.

 

He hasn't given the speech yet.

 

No, but people close to him are telling reporters things.

 

The military is saying otherwise, and I trust them more than Mubarak aids right now.

 

Okay


He's getting ready to speak now apparently

 

1) I do not believe in the "New World Order"

I believe in the "OLD World Order." That is a small group of rich and powerful greedy mother fuckers that are able to manipulate extremely large portions of the general public. And by manipulation I mean they keep relatively 92% of the world population either stupid or ignorant or hungry... But most importantly, they keep 92% of all people in the world fighting each other and divided so that these rich and powerful overlords will be assured an endless supply of people so desperate or scared that they are literally willing to get down on their knees an wipe their asses for them and be thankful.

If I have ever mentioned the New World Order in my other posts. I assure, it was sarcasm on my part.

2) This is a partial list. My comments follow below.

• Pearl Harbour : Roosevelt was actually provoking the Axis powers before the Pearl Harbor catastrophe. 'While proclaiming neutrality. The USA then dropped 2 atomic bombs while Japan was acknowledging to its own military that they would surrender.
• Vietnam : The Bay of Tonkin incident where a North Vietnamese PT boat allegedly attacked a USA warship was the excuse the government of USA used to go full throttle into Vietnam.
• MKULTRA : The CIA distributed drugs and conducted experiments on civilians without their consent or knowledge.
• Bay of Pigs invasion : The Bay of Pigs Invasion was an unsuccessful action by a CIA-trained force of Cuban exiles to invade southern Cuba, with support and encouragement from the US government
• Operation PAPERCLIP :While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America
• Operation WING : The CIA recreates a covert action wing, innocuously called the Office of Policy Coordination, led by Wall Street lawyer Frank Wisner. According to its secret charter, its responsibilities include "propaganda and economic warfare.
• Italy : The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations.
• MOCKINGBIRD : The CIA begins recruiting American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda. Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham head the effort. Graham is publisher of The Washington Post, which becomes a major CIA player. Eventually, the CIA's media assets will include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service and more. By the CIA's own admission, at least 25 organizations and 400 journalists will become CIA assets.
• Operation CHAOS - The CIA has been illegally spying on American citizens since 1959, but with Operation CHAOS, President Johnson dramatically boosts the effort. CIA agents go undercover as student radicals to spy on and disrupt campus organizations protesting the Vietnam War. They are searching for Russian instigators, which they never find. CHAOS will eventually spy on 7,000 individuals and 1,000 organizations.
  

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As I said above,this is was just a partial list of the shit that has already been pulled. A full listing would go on for pages.

So look it junior,
You go and read up on some of the crap that the mother fuckers in the CIA and the government have already done. Then after that you go look in the mirror and then see if you can wrap your brain around this logic problem.

This entire "Internet phenom" started with the United States Military. Because the Internet was born out of DARPA research project. (Arpanet). So therefore given the previous track record of the CIA and the Military. Who do you think is "more right?"

You who believes that everything is peachy keen and Google and Facebook are just these wonderful corporate entities that believe in freedom and democracy.

Or a person like me who says that they're full of fucking lies. Because without propaganda and other manipulation.. No one in their right mind would choose 500 virtual friends over a real one.


(( FYI: The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military.)))

Translation,
They found a way to get rid of the guy and keep the status quo.

 

Not even going to respond to the rest of the post because you obviously don't know basic Japanese WW2 history or otherwise you'd know Japan's military was nowhere near surrender.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyūjō_Incident

back to Egypt, this is not a resignation speech at all. The million or so people in Tahrir square are not going to take this well, especially considering the military commanders of the Cairo area made it sound like Mubarak was going to stand down and they were going to take power with the VP.

 

Translation,
You can't respond to the rest so you're picking one element of the post to avoid answering the question I put infront of you.


PS.
I read the Japanese version and a Spanish version of the events. But I'll make it easy for you, go search of a documentary on Pear Harbour and FDR's manipulations done by the BBC. You'll be amazed at how much Spanish and Japanese history books agree with the BBC documentary and how much they disagree with the official american version.

 

Pearl Harbor was months in the planning, and was a direct result of the fact the US cut off oil shipments to Japan because you know, they launched an all out genocide on China. No shit Japan's version of the history is different, they won't even come to terms with their war crimes in China yet.

Translation,
You don't know basic history.

Like Operation Paper Clip, what we were supposed to do, just let the Soviets scoop up some of the brightest scientists in the world instead? Now make a new thread if you want to keep talking about it.


Crowds in Tahrir square look like they're ready to start torching things.

 

Mubarak said he's transferring authority to his VP, whatever that exactly means. But as long as he's still officially president it looks like the crowd is about to reach critical mass.