Egypt: Protests Turn Violent as Pro-Mubarak Forces Attack

Yea, I'm not disagreeing at all, it is one-sided and biased.

I've seen footage that presents a different look though, I could be wrong, because of course the cameras aren't always rolling, it's likely the things we don't get to see that tell a more accurate story.

This is one of the most telling videos I've seen. It was caught from a different angle by a camera operated by a CNN employee (not this version) and I can honestly say that the anti-Mubarack crowd seemed to be simply standing around then the pro-Mubarack people came in and started hitting people with whips and boards with nails driven threw them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-V_WnDE1Mo"]YouTube - [EGYPT] Mubarak Supporters on Horseback Attack Pro-Democratic Demonstrators, 02/02/2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgjU-uH_KYk"]YouTube - [EGYPT] Riders on Horses & Camels Charge Into Crowd at Tahrir Square in Cairo, 02/02/2011

 

If I were as cynical as some people I would say it is to keep audience figures up and to keep the majority of the Egyptian people on-side.
"Do the math"...
Realistically, I imagine, it is due to the anti-government side being in the right...and the pro-government being indefensible.

 

I think your and my video are saying the same thing.
Firstly the pro-government horse/camel riders are striding through the anti-government protest.
Not hitting the crowd with their whips, but their horses. Bravado.
Then the next thing we see is the people on horses being ambushed, possibly.
The next scene shows the horses running around all over the place.
One could say being chased around.
This all reminds me of the flotilla incident a few months ago, tbh.

 

I disagree, I do not believe they were using the whips to strike their horses.

What about the men on horses with boards that had nails driven through them? I don't think they were for the horses...

I saw people being struck with whips and boards. The unfolding of the fighting and events that day may be questionable, but the fact is that those who rode in on the animals were using those weapons against the protesters. That is not questionable.

 

Have a look in my clip. You will see them hitting their horses. Totally not cool, but that's what people use when they are trying to control their horses. Watch most horse races. They beat the shit out of them.
I'm not disputing later on they may have used the whips for other purposes.

I'm not disputing that whips and other objects where used against people(I'll have to have a second look for the boards).
My point is, why were they doing it.
Imho, they were having their own protest march, and the anti-government crowd didn't like it.
You conveniently don't see much of the horses/camels walking slowly through the crowd with people with banners following them (Am I totally making that up?)
There was a surge of anti-government protesters or something else spooked everybody (I'm going with a surge of anti-government protestors)...and the horses started to run around aimlessly.
Then the anti-government crowd started dragging the people off the horses and beating the shit out the riders.
There might have been some un-provoked attacks with the whips and other objects, but a lot of it seemed to be self-defense.

 

No, I don't think you're making it up. I agree that they were likely having their own protest to show support for Mubarack. The pro-Mubarack protesters are also (perhaps now they were) crowded at the other end of the long street that leads out of Liberty Square, the two groups are separated by the military.

So there are large numbers of Pro-Mubarack protesters gathered, I assume peacefully.

But as for Wednesday morning. I could be wrong but it really looked like the Pro-Mubarack crowd simply charged in with the intent to charge and injure. Unfortunately we'll never know because they absolutely refuse to have their side of the events filmed and/or voiced.

Another aspect that makes me, and probably millions of others around the world, assume that they incited the violence was the way they "responded" to reporters with violence. Some were beaten, stabbed, threatened to be killed, cameras stolen and smashed.

Whether they purposefully incited the violence or not last Wednesday, only those who were there may ever really know, they still incited brutal violence against reporters.

The anti-Mubarack protesters have seemingly incited very little violence against anyone with the exception of defending themselves last Wednesday. Some were throwing rocks into large groups of Mubarack supporters however.

 

Also note; Molotov cocktails were literally shipped in by trucks to the "fronts" where pro-Mubarack supporters gathered to throw them off overpasses, off roof-tops, etc. and into large groups of anti-Mubarack protesters.

That shows that not only did they plan to do that, but they purposefully intended to use violence and fire bombs. They took the time to manufacture all of them, I assume once they started seeing large groups of anti-Mubarack protesters gather outside in the days leading up to Wednesday.

 

We just might not be seeing it/hearing it.
I don't speak Egyptian so a lot of the commentary is lost on me.
I'm reliant on Anderson Cooper and the BBC reporters etc.
Who are seemingly on a vanity project over there.
There are nearly 70 million people in Egypt...I'm sure they could find somebody from the other perspective to talk to that is calm and rational who also has video.
You know I'm not a conspiracist but it seems like a conspiracy to me.

I think I've said the situation seems a complete mess.

I accept that.
Some not all.
Some just don't trust the media.
I'd like to see what would happen if a reporter went in with a "pro-Mubarak T-shirt on.

Incited very little, perpetuated an awful lot.

 

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Why the dots?

 

I thought you were switching the conversation to something else. I didn't see both your posts. I just said "one thing at a time". I read the other post and realised what you were saying. Sorry. Ooops.

 

hmmm...i thought '...---...' looked familial;

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080826173354AAM1D67

'Mission Impossible' would be proud, odon.

i think egyptians might be wise to learn morse code.