Einstein's Theory of Relativity- Perception of my world changed once I understood!!

Discussion in 'Mind Games' started by hebrewnational00, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. hebrewnational00

    hebrewnational00 Senior Member

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    Time does exist. It always did. There is a part of the brain called a brainstem and one of it's functions is to keep track of time/age (not in a second to second/ clocklike way). Moreover without time, we would not be. This theory talks about magnitutes of time being the same for two or more people but one instance or unit of time for one person might be completely shorter or longer than for the other person.
     
  2. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Have you ever heard of the Philadelphia Experiment? Einstein and some others did an experiment with a warship in the 1940's. They tried to take the molecules apart, then rearrange them elsewhere, essentially they were toying with teleportation. What they may or may not have accounted for is that when you break down molecules, they don't necessarily rearrange in the same order they once were in. The molecules of the ship, which had people on it, travelled at the speed of light and when rearranged some of the men were infused with the ship, some limbs had become part of the ship and whatnot. Apparently they tried it a first time with animals on the ship. When the ship appeared again some cats where on fire from their molecules having travelled so fast.

    I don't know how real this all is, but interesting nonetheless.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment
     
  3. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Read the whole thread first.
     
  4. PB_Smith

    PB_Smith Huh? What? Who, me?

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    Nope, the faster an object accelerates the greater it's relative mass becomes.

    That is one of the reasons that light speed travel is not possible according to this model. As the object approaches light speed, it's mass becomes infinite and then requires an infinite expenditure of energy to further accelerate it.

    You are making the very erroneous assumption that an objects size determines it's mass in your example.
     
  5. hebrewnational00

    hebrewnational00 Senior Member

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    Didn't mean to sound rude man. You're right, I was a bit quick to post before I went on to pages 2 and 3, but you elaborate more as the thread developes. Good discussion.

    Cheers
     
  6. hebrewnational00

    hebrewnational00 Senior Member

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    I don't doubt it. This whole theory is fairly new to me and still a little hard for me to fully grasp, but what I do understand blows my mind lol
     
  7. PB_Smith

    PB_Smith Huh? What? Who, me?

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    More mindfucking.
    Considering the quantum behavior of particles as represented by the Schoedingers cat experiment, the Uncertainty principle;

    A principle, especially as formulated in quantum mechanics, that greater accuracy of measurement for one observable entails less accuracy of measurement for another. For example, it is in principle impossible to measure both the momentum and the position of a particle at the same time with perfect accuracy. Any pair of observables whose operators do not commute have this property. As defined in quantum mechanics, it is also called Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Similar uncertainty principles hold for non-quantum mechanical systems involving waves as well.

    and the fact that light behaves as both a wave and a particle simultaneously gives rise to the question of just how great of a role does our conciousness and awareness play in the "observable" makeup of the universe?

    All we experience and observe is actually being constructed in our minds and we are not "directly" interacting with the universe outside of ourselves.

    At the quantum level prior to us "observing" it would appear everthing is in an undefined state and only gains definition upon being observed.
    So is it all really an illusion that is created and destroyed and then created again with every quantum tick of the particles that comprise the universe?

    We may never know.;)
     
  8. Elijah

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    if time doesn;t exist? how can there even be a such thing as now?





     
  9. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    It's all good.

    People have biological "clocks". Studies have been done on people who were put into sensory deprivation rooms for days at a time and have concluded that the body does keep track, so to speak, of time. That is, even when it can't register sunlight or clock time, it will get hungry and tired around the same times every day. Again, though, the biological clock is one that runs on biological reactions, not time. The body gets hungry around the same times because it takes a certain amount of time to process food. When this process is done, it becomes hungry. The moon has a lot to do with responses of our bodies, water levels and whatnot.

    Many scientists suggest that we sleep more now because we have less to do. Our ancient ancestor males used to hunt all night during a full moon because their prey would be sleeping and the light of the moon would light their way. Studies have been done on individuals in which their sleep was slowly cut back to 5.5 hours, which apparently is the minimum (yet sometimes optimal) amount of sleep that one really needs to function. The real functional cause of sleep is yet unknown, it was once thought that it restores maximum organ function, a good lay on the couch for a few hours has been proven to do the same thing.

    Our bodies don't eat because it's time to eat, or sleep because it's time to sleep, they do so out of biological response.

    There's no real such thing as time. If there was no such thing as calenders and clocks, time wouldn't exist. It's a man made measurement given to the actions of the world, the body, and life in general.
     
  10. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Because the now doesn't exist within the frames of clocks and calenders. Your entire life is one single moment separated only by sleeps. "Now" isn't a time or a destination, it is the present, the physical world that is right in front of you and all around you. It's also the thoughts in your head that exist only in your head. A memory you have of when you were a child only exists now, that situation is not currently happening so it exists as a thought. You plans for the future only exist now as thoughts because at this moment they aren't happening.

    The past is gone, it's only memories because as the one moment that is life gets longer and expands with memories and thoughts, those events that were once happening right in front of us get stored as memories for our own survival. If we didn't remember, how could we drive to work tomorrow or tie our shoes? Memory is necessary for survival. So we remember things from what we perceive to be earlier times. We think that those events are separate from now because they are memories whereas now is happening right now.

    Every event that you've lived in life has been consecutive events that all existed in one moment. It might be hard to grasp because we're so used to recognizing days and weeks as separate things. But all life is one big long single moment, consisting of events that are separated only by location and sleep. Time was invented by man as a way to harness the amount of sunlight in the day and utilize it for our own needs. We think that the aging process if proof of time, but in all actuality the aging process is just a bunch of consecutive biological responses.
     
  11. Sir-.-'nOOBalloT

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    Aging is a weird thing really our age is not predetermine by the outside world yet it is meagered by it. Granted we age similarly but not the same everyone reaches puberty at different times and die from old age at different times. But even if u go by average numbers to meager individuals age u would still only meager ones body's approximate age yet this is not what makes an old sole sorta speak or a waiz man to come to be.


    Rather its information say a man lives in a cave for ten years nothing to do nothing to see nothing to stimulate the mind, sure hes body will age approximately 10 years yet hes mind I would not experience 10 year time passage very quickly 1 day would morph in to another no difference to tell them a part in the end years would be recognized as weeks well long ones at that.


    And another man spends 10 years traveling the world learning new languages and cultures... sure hes body will age approximately 10 years but hes mind would be confronted with new challenges puzzles to over come, every day is a new and interesting experience. Years become long, feels like 3 have passed in side of 1.


    Maybe its a bit like relativity only inside the inner universe of mind.


    The faster some one moves through information D the less time there is to be conscious of the psychical Ds. There for some ones who is moving fast through information relative to some one who is at a stand still will experience a difference in recorded conscious time.


    Maybe we sleep for that we are not essentially physical being yes the body is but the body it only a shell sorta speak for the true inner u maybe that inner u just wants to stretch its real legs as much as ur body does.
     
  12. hebrewnational00

    hebrewnational00 Senior Member

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    For those of you who haven't seen this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA"]YouTube - Imagining the Tenth Dimension part 1 of 2

    This is CRAZY^^^ :D
     
  13. hebrewnational00

    hebrewnational00 Senior Member

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    Good post and I have to agree with most of it. I believe that the more reason one has to live, the longer they will live and vice versa. I am not sure how age comes into play with this way of thinking....
     
  14. Brudof

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    I don't know if time travel is possible or not, but it's sure fun reading up on the theories related to it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRWwI61so5Q&feature=related"]YouTube - Discovery - First Time Machine
     
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    I agree with this. Time is communication between entities. If there are no entities then there is no time. The only way we even measure time is by measuring the interactions between entities, such as our orbit around the sun. In order to travel in time you would have to change the physical state of the universe to how it was or will be at that moment. It is not a place that you can go to.
     
  16. euphoriaforall

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    i didnt even read the rest of the thread yet. once i read this it blew my mind. holy fuck. there is no way that actually happened. and if it did i feel bad for the assholes who volunteered for that
     
  17. euphoriaforall

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    i think that the 10th dimension has to be god. all possibilities and all infinity's. if you were of the 10th dimension you could do anything
     
  18. hebrewnational00

    hebrewnational00 Senior Member

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    I think its an interesting video. However, the third dimension-where flat landers 'fold through' to get from one position to the next- is stupid and does not really make sense to me.... thats the point of the video where I kept paying attention but my hype towards the idea just went down you know...
     
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    Regarding the Philadelphia experiment:
    details of the story contradict well-established facts about the Eldridge.
    The story is a hoax.
     
  20. neodude1212

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    I have a problem with these two, perhaps it's from lack of understanding but

    The above bullet point is attempting to make a statement about the nature of time. However, there's a very large difference between analogue and digital clocks. Since the analogue clock has moving parts, it may tick more slowly while moving as a result of matter or energy somehow affecting it's mechanical process through the act of movement, not some "dilation" of time.
    On the other hand, if this same phenomenon extends to digital clocks then that would be something worth note.

    I don't even know what this means. By the "respect to the observer" bit you seem to be talking about perspective? That is merely a property of the human eye.
     

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