Ending Bad Trips

I heard about the valium also, does anyone know much on this subject?

 

TruthandPeace, Your setting the groundwork for a monumental bad psychedelic experience.
Quite worrying so much about ending a bad trip and ask yourself more about why you had a bad trip.
The only real way to end or resolve a bad trip without resorting to doping and knocking a person out is to understand the who, what, where and why that gave rise to the bad experience. Then don't do that again. If it went bad because of what you saw in the LSD mirror of your innermost person, then you just have to come to terms with it, forgive yourself for whatever evils you are guilty of and move on.

You say you understand about bad trips and all, but I don't think you really do, otherwise you would be more interested in learning from it and not learning about terminating any future trips.

The occurrence of any lasting detrimental psychological effects is on the order of about 0.01% of all clinical studies performed during 25+ years and over 50,000 patients who received LSD as a part of therapy.

If you or someone you are with is having a bad trip, a change of scenery and situation will very, very often facilitate a change in experience. If you don't think that will help you or whomever snap out of it, then maybe you should stay away from psychedelics, they aren't for everyone.

In my experience the only people I've ever had the displeasure to see "act out" physically during a "bad trip" were already prone to such instances of drama and other attention getting devices/behavior.

I've had a few hellacious bad trips in the past, but most people around me never knew or even knew I was on a psychedelic. It's not that difficult to hold your shit together on LSD regardless of what's going on inside. At least for me.

But all this "hypothetical" preparation in anticipation of having a bad trip is much more likely to induce one then anything else.

Relax, it's not dying, it is being.

 

I understand the ground work of a good psychedelic experience. I said this before this is for other people and helping others in a bad situation. It is hypothetical if you look at the other posts in this thread other people have aborted trips, I bet some others would of also. This is about harm reduction. Someone may find a pill that is supposedly helps to abort trips and they may take to much and harm themselves. I'm trying to compile a list to help people and to choose the safest route. I know that not taking any pharmaceuticals is the safest route but people will take them no matter what. Also having a backup plan that can help things is probably a good idea and may help the trip knowing you have a backup plan. This is more about others than myself, if you haven't caught that yet. I most likely will never use any type of pharmaceutical to abort a trip. I'm trying to be as scientific as possible, I no longer want to discuss the philosophical part on this subject. I understand where you are coming and this is where I'm coming from.

Do you understand now?

 

Also there can also be the o'shit moment when you know you have taken to much and you know you won't be able to handle it. There is also the chance you have to go into work and you need to stop the trip so you don't get fired. This isn't about LSD exclusively either that is why I didn't post this in the LSD section. Say Bromodragonfly for example you ingested and you couldn't handle yourself for that long and/or you weren't expecting it to be that long that would be a good example. There are tons of situations were this would be "beneficial".

 

I understood from your first post, I'm just saying it's not the best way of dealing with a "bad trip".
OK, Thorazine will stop a trip in it's tracks and put the person more or less out. But then they have to contend with the very nasty "hangover" from the Thorazine.
Most other drugs used to end a psychedelic's effects will have similar results.
Valium is given to reduce anxiety, but really does nothing to "end" the effects.

If you do a thorough search of how "bad trips" were dealt with in the successful therapies conducted by Hoffer, Grof, Osmond, etc. you will see that what I prescribed was the preferred and most effective means of dealing with bad trips.
Change setting and situation, change music, lighting, go outside, go inside.

Sedatives were only used when all else failed.
I faintly remember something about a substance that could essentially end a psychedelic experience much the same as naloxone does for opiates overdose, but the name escapes me right now and I really don't feel the urge to sift through the couple of hundred links, articles, books I have on the subject of LSD at the moment. If I find it I will for sure let you know.

 

In Hofmanns book it's mentioned somewhere, I don't remember what it is either.

 

I understand that there are much better choices but it is always nice to have something that you know will help or knock you out. The chemical may be on this link http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/psychedelic_crisis_faq.shtml it has a lot of valuable info. When in doubt go to erowid.

 

Have you read the page you linked to? It actually supports everything I said and says very little about the use of drugs to end a psychedelic experience. Quite the contrary, it promotes the "talk down" method over any other drugs, and all the drugs it does mention have already been mentioned in this thread. Maybe you need to read a little more and from sources other than just drug oriented websites.

Actually when I'm in doubt I go the JAMA or similar medical/clinical research studies. Or I consult the multitude of research papers, books, publications, etc.
Erowid is OK, but it is the wikipedia of drugs and as such any information from there should be verified by researching actual clinical papers about the substance in question.

 

I think the only reasonable situation to use something like thorazine is if someone is in danger of causing harm while on a psychedelic. To just pop it whenever things get a little too real in the psychedelic state is a misunderstanding of the whole enterprise.

 

As I told you, I agree with you on that stance if would actually read my last posts, I keep saying I agree with you but there are other circumstances when these methods fail.

I have an actual guide up and it says that on the guide here is a link http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=429478&f=48 . I'm not promoting popping random medicine to get out of a trip. This guide is for harm reduction, people will see other things about aborting trips and won't research it on their own terms and may do more harm than good. This is a harm reduction guide.

 

I would think that valium (administered a bit at a time until they weren't tripping bad) would be best...xanax - yes, that would also be good...again, jmo

I think I've heard that some milk (or buttermilk) is also good to help counter the effects...or maybe I'm just imagining that.

 

I read that about the milk also. I heard it helps even when people don't know that it helps bring you down. So it wouldn't be a placebo effect. If it truly does help I wonder what molecule/substance that does it.

 

I've known ppl that claim that drinking milk can actually help them sleep - tho' I certainly never experienced that. It might be the same thing that helps induce sleep could help ease out a bad trip.

 

hot milk is indeed calming

 

my question is, what if you take some xanax prior to a trip? does it prevent anxiety durring a trip or does it just prevent you from tripping?

 

i would think an antipsychotic such as risperdone or quetiapine would be the first choice for ending a bad trip.

benzos work too, but they only potentiate gaba, making you calmer but not really reversing the neurotransmitters affected by a psychedelic.

for instance, psilocybin and lsd work by affecting serotonin and dopamine. antipsychotics work by antagonizing serotonin and dopamine, basically shutting down the process of a "trip", thus effectively reversing it.

hope this helps. :mickey:

 

Agreed. In my opinion, trying to reverse or somehow stop the trip is a waste of some cid or shrooms that were probably pretty potent. I'd also imagine that it's pretty taxing on your neurons (first because you're already flooding them with seratonin) with the sudden change and volume of neurotransmitters being released.

Bad trips can be avoided with proper mental alignment before and knowing how much you can handle based on your experience. If you plan on taking something like a strip by yourself, for example, I would hope that you've tripped close to one hundred times. Similarly with shrooms, if you can't stomach much of the taste, smell and mass of fungus floating in your stomach, then you should work your way up.

So I guess, in essence it all comes back to knowing what's best for you.

 

^definitely. personally, i've never had a bad trip, even though i've been through some CRAZY shit while tripping. it's easy to feel overwhelmed at times of psychedelia, but important to remember that you're probably not going to die and that it will be over in a relatively short time. i love shrooms and lsd so much though that i don't know how a bad time on them could be possible :sunny:

 

My friends reckons that all you need to do is smoke weed, find a comfy spot and overpower with your mind.. I've never had a bad trip

 

I don't actually know if weed helps. On my last trip (closest I've ever had to a "bad trip") when it started going in a negative direction I thought a bowl of weed would calm me down. It actually just made me more clouded and disoriented. Also, I think it may have contributed a weed-paranoia factor into the trip.

It may work for some, but I'm not 100% that weed will chill out a difficult acid trip.