Everyone starts atheist

Practically all religion exists because people are stupid about death and bad things in life. Death will EVENTUALLY be a welcome surcease from pain, so WHY fear it? The other stuff, we have to find ways to beat, and that is not helped by "running" from it, to church or wherever. Renouncing logic and your ability to REASON isn't going to help a thing, and that's what ALL religions amount to. The idea of any other life is just bogus, postulated because people don't like THIS life. Well, then, CHANGE it. move somewhere else, become something different, etc.

 

Everyone does NOT start atheist. Atheism is a decision based in understanding.
And such is not applicable before say age 7.

Everyone starts agnostic.

 

Been said lots in this thread, including by me, but now that the chance for argument arises....:mickey:

Agnosticism, as the word is generally understood, requires understanding as well. It generally implies a lot about ones understanding of the possability of a higher power, and knowledge of various options, while feeling some sort of spirituality.

Babies are just the ultimate hedonistic nonbelievers.... You can't apply any of those terms to them, they just don't think about that stuff, or in that way. The almighty boob is the only higher power. Then when they're weaned, some of their parents (who, themselves, are sucking gods comforting tit) replace it with religion, while some parents tell their kids the truth.

 

Thus

Everyting i said is totally correct

 

Atheism & Agnosticism aren't decision though, they are conclusions, Just like every other
belief.

The idea that people can choose what to believe is nonsense. You either understand, or you don't.

 

Not at all. Belief is a symbol chosen to represent an unknown variable. There are many kinds of such symbols. People can and do choose among them.

 

No.

You said every baby starts agnostic.

I explained that they do not start with any sort of belief system, they just ARE, and seek pleasure.

You said "so, I was right".

Maybe you need to take an english class? Or a critical thinking class? or both?

 

a child is born with knowledge
........ is born without forgetfullness

i think it's possible to remember existence in the womb . why , then , is there a general forgetfullness of this ? it is a feeling of mother before mother has given you words . it is a different kind of story . should you be born with a god story , it would be made of no words such as these english words you are reading .

? since humans are so talented with language , could we be born with symbols . will you think it's impossible a baby has conciousness and an elemental handful of meaning from the beginning .

first , remember everything
and then you can think upon the existence question

personally , i've set an intention of this remembering .

before me the egg in space ... before that ... i do not remember , i feel zero meaning . i'll consider this zero an absolute boundary and space as an elemental symbol . ahh , but that's old snooze .

 

Why is an unknown variable being postulated? Evidence should proceed assertion.

 

Should be is not evidence of what is.

Why do we postulate the shape of an atom?

 

My sister claims to have some memory of a reasonable amount of time before being born. While I was a small child I apparently told my mother about birth, and being angry because she was squeezing me... I have no memory of this, I'm not sure if my sister does anymore, this was when she was much younger that she talked about it.

But I don't think this changes the point of the thread.... So you gradually drift into dim consciousness while developing... But being live, kicking, etc, for months before birth, we knew that. This doesn't change the fact that you START not knowing or caring of religion or belief.

 

oo , i think i'd rather you relax about dictating the point

 

I don't think I dictated anything. But if that's what you'd like to discuss, let's see what the thread starter has to say about the point.....

 

how do you know you were not
born with an idea of god ?

i'd suppose because you remember every idea , and god is not there .
oh , but there's plenty of trouble and uncertainty about the baby ideas that are not made of social language .

supposing you could remember when first you saw light . it'd be shining through yo mama's belly skin . suppose more fancifully you the babe could remember then seeing a mandala as a pure idea . that mandala , for example , might relate to an inate to the womb space god idea made not of words , but fashioned of light . i don't know ...

 

Well I know there where much more important feelings, which I can remember from shortly after birth. And if you read the post you quoted... Yeah, I, and other people I know, and many people I don't know, can remember or at one time could remember before birth and shortly thereafter, it's not that uncommon, at least in small children, and god was nowhere on our minds. I distinctly remember my obliviousness and 1 track mind, as a small child... There was no god, anywhere. My parents didn't mention god, and it never crossed my mind.

And if there was a god, by the same logic that you should be born knowing this, you shouldn't forget it....

Why didn't you just attack my relivant statement from the start, instead of trying to say it was irrellivant? Worried about your ability to rebut it?

 

you put your idea in terms of religion and belief . i don't want
to think much about religious belief . it makes a pyramid to pointy
to sit on .

 

"Should" is something to be regarded though, when attempting to understand
consistency in nature.

We postulate the shape of atoms because we know they exist.

 

should

an organic idea of god should persist in you if it ever exist in you , and in all your present knowing it is not of you .

forgetfullness can be a blessing . it is sometimes a protector .
in my philosophy , it's good to remember everything but i shouldn't want to be too busy with that sort of thing .

 

Only does demonstrates consistency. Looking for compliance is not the same process as understanding what is there.

Why do we postulate goodness.

 

you have as good an idea about space (anywhere) as anyone .

as to my memory of me the egg in space , well , i should admit something else about it . as i was experiencing the memory a god idea connected to it . the idea was about god and re-incarnation and i felt it as an awful and impatient anxiety . peace came when i just relaxed into the great ahhh of space . peace was in my beginning , eh , and i knew Space is . i'm not sure what i knew next . had to be something . i'd suppose it takes at least two decent ideas spinning together to make sense of getting somewhere .

ain't meaning to say re-incarnation is a bad idea ... i'd translate it as life is strong , life goes on - and that the story may account for the knowing we are born with . people talk stories .