Evolution

According to theory, in the beggining, we were all just a big bunch of stuff. Acoording to theory (entropy), we will all end up as a big bunch of stuff.

What if the idea of a creator follows this?
The creator was the original bunch of stuff, incredibly complex whilst also incredibly simple, evolved to where we are now and will continue to evolve until it fits into an entirely stable universe.

 

Stealth...

True..The earth is not a sphere..It is spherical.
Light acts as both wave and particle..at the same time. [observer]

Children are taught 'general understanding' in a system that exists to do nothing else.
It has little depth..
If kids want to know more they pick physics. Then, they will get more depth on the issue.
Or even better..look it up for themselves.

Occam

 

I agree with the two examples, and 'oblate spheroid' is the best term for earths shape I have heard.


My post was more about certain historical events that I find highly unlikely, if not provably false. The last ice age, the bering migration story, the age of the Sphinx, etc.
These subjects are taught to be one way, and I find the basic premises of that way are all very dubious conclusions, in my view. Much evidence exists that refutes the current positions that is stronger, and is nonetheless shunned.

 

Blackguard..

Ivory tower conservatism?
IE:
Dont want to admit that what has been taught was actually
dubious in a new current perspective.
That what was claimed as scientiffic was in fact muchly opinion.

If science was taught correctly...Students would EXPECT theories to
evolve or even be cast aside.
Even while they learn about them.

Occam

 

Occam,

You need not take my words as a personal attack, they were not intended as so. I was describing a strong atheist- as one who is so distracted by the external that their value of being diminishes. There is such a person I have met, and in his mind there is no possibility for any substance 'beyond'. And if you ask me, it is no coincidence that this same person also takes 'anti-depressant' drugs. He fuels his own unhappiness with his stark interpretation of science, and doesn't realize it. The man lives in darkness, as do so many others like him.

I agree that reason includes spirituality. This is how I came to it. I believe it is the path of the future.

blessings

 

Mother_Natures_Son.

Occam does not.

We seem to connect concepts to experience..
Your friend...Who 'believes not in the possibillity of anything...beyond.'
Is a great example....

[a short aside.. and why does experience get accessed first...below conscious control...self preservation..The unconscious is far wiser in some ways...than reason..
The destroyer of this idea..is panic.
WHAT IS PANIC???
Someone please help...occam NEEDS others perspective on this.]

Occam has met many who say
There is no REALITY
and
That there is no god....and
No justice.
No freedom
No soul
No end to war
No life but us
No spirit
No choice
No reason [or rhyme]
No point

What do you think?

Occam

 

Occam does not what?

Has someone ever offered you advice/wisdom that you did not truly understand until you experienced the lesson for yourself?
Or perhaps read another's philosophy which did not resonate within until you discovered the same ideas through your own patterns of mind?
In theory there is much we hold true, which we do not live by until we reveal it to ourselves.
"The seat of the soul is there where the inner and the outer worlds meet." -Novalis

It seems you are asking, correct me if I am wrong... Why do we contaminate the present moment with the past?
We use the mind more than as a tool; we identify ourselves through it.

To quote Joseph Campbell for his eloquence and clarity...

The mystery of life is beyond all human conception. Everything we know is within the terminology of the concepts of being and not being, many and single, true and untrue. We always think in terms of opposites. But God, the ultimate, is beyond the pairs of opposites, that is all there is to it. We think in terms of opposites because we cannot think otherwise. That's the nature of reality in our time. That's the nature of our experience of reality. "Eternity is in love with productions of time", says the poet Blake. The source of temporal life is eternity. Eternity pours itself into the world. It is a basic mythic idea of the god who becomes many in us. In India, the god who lies in me is called the 'inhabitant' of the body. To identify with that divine, immortal aspect of yourself is to identify yourself with divinity. Now, eternity is beyond all categories of thought. This is an important point in all of the great Oriental religions. We want to think about God. God is a thought. God is a name. God is an idea. But its reference is to something that transcends all thinking. The ultimate mystery of being is beyond all categories of thought. As the Buddha is reported to have said: "It both is and is not; neither is, nor is not".

 

Mother_nature's_son

Take your words as a personal attack

Well said

Is that a perspective on panic?

Eloquent...The mystery of being..our being..may be that.
But it also 'may be' . something we can understand...
So many propose we are limmited..and we are, as individuals.
But humanity is greater than the sum of its parts.

Occam

 

Reality too......so much greater than I can yet believe is just chance... way beyond what I imagined as being possible.
Too many precognitive dreams to ignore it any more. Real time concepts
of mine are pretty sketchy. I don't see how they can happen...but they do.
Resonance
Crystal Frequencies, waves, vibrations, harmonics, synchronicities, astrology intrigues me, all around the world.
It may be that we can understand our being, like a hammer can understand its being. How can a brain or heart understand itself.
I sure can
NOT.
I hope they fill me in when I die, but that is not a given....lol.