Ex FBI/CIA Agents Ready To Blow the cover on Bush 9/11 Story...

And the evidence of what happened is historical record........as yet.

 

Well I dont know why Pressed Rat is hopping about with insults and mockery when I dont 'Disprove' his accusations, but when asked to actually validate the claims - he disappears.

What sense is this - "you cant DISPROVE this allegation.. even if I cant provide evidence!"

Wow.. thats why PRat is Nuts!

 

http://standdown.net/
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040731213239607
http://www.nypress.com/15/2/taki/bunker.cfm
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060704_tripod_fema.html
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/10/4911
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/pyramid.html
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911standdown
http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs0209/0930_bdquig.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ELS305A.html
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayairdefense.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/911stand.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.hijack.warning/
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5251871/site/newsweek/
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/310304standdown.htm
http://www.communitycurrency.org/joycelynn.html
http://www.oilempire.us/standdown.html
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/found_standown.htm

 

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1013

 

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

Released: August 30, 2004

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals



On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy. Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as "very conservative" supported the claim.

The charge found very high support among adults under 30 (62.8%), African-Americans (62.5%), Hispanics (60.1%), Asians (59.4%), and "Born Again" Evangelical Christians (47.9%).

Less than two in five (36%) believe that the 9/11 Commission had "answered all the important questions about what actually happened on September 11th," and two in three (66%) New Yorkers (and 56.2% overall) called for another full investigation of the "still unanswered questions" by Congress or Elliot Spitzer, New York's Attorney General. Self-identified "very liberal" New Yorkers supported a new inquiry by a margin of three to one, but so did half (53%) of "very conservative" citizens across the state. The call for a deeper probe was especially strong from Hispanics (75.6%), African-Americans (75.3%) citizens with income from $15-25K (74.3%), women (62%) and Evangelicals (59.9%).

W. David Kubiak, executive director of 911truth.org, the group that commissioned the poll, expressed genuine surprise that New Yorkers' belief in the administration's complicity is as high or higher than that seen overseas. "We're familiar with high levels of 9/11 skepticism abroad where there has been open debate of the evidence for US government complicity. On May 26th the Toronto Star reported a national poll showing that 63% of Canadians are also convinced US leaders had 'prior knowledge' of the attacks yet declined to act. There was no US coverage of this startling poll or the facts supporting the Canadians' conclusions, and there has been virtually no debate on the victim families' scores of still unanswered questions. I think these numbers show that most New Yorkers are now fed up with the silence, and that politicians trying to exploit 9/11 do so at their peril. The 9/11 case is not closed and New York's questions are not going away."

Nicholas Levis of NY911truth.org, an advisor on the poll, agrees, "The 9/11 Commission gave us a plenty of 'recommendations', but far more plentiful were the discrepancies, gaps and omissions in their supposedly 'final' report. How can proposals based on such deficient findings ever make us safe? We think these poll numbers are basically saying, 'Wait just a minute. What about the scores of still outstanding questions? What about the unexplained collapses of WTC 7, our air defenses, official accountability, the chain of command on 9/11, the anthrax, insider trading & FBI field probes? There's so much more to this story that we need to know about.' When such a huge majority of New Yorkers want a new investigation, it will be interesting to see how quickly Attorney General Spitzer and our legislators respond."

SCOPE: The poll covered five areas of related interest: 1) Iraq - do New Yorkers think that our leaders "deliberately misled" us before the war (51.2% do); 2) the 9/11 Commission - did it answer all the "important questions" (only 36% said yes); 3) the inexplicable and largely unreported collapse of the third WTC skyscraper on 9/11 - what was its number (28% of NYC area residents knew); 4) the question on complicity; and 5) how many wanted a new 9/11 probe. All inquiries about questions, responses and demographics should be directed to Zogby International.

SPONSOR: 911truth.org is a coalition of researchers, journalists and victim family members working to expose and resolve the hundreds of critical questions still swirling around 9/11, especially the nearly 400 questions that the Family Steering Committee filed with the 9/11Commission which they fought to create. Initially welcomed by the commissioners as a "road map" for their inquiry, these queries cut to the heart of 9/11 crimes and accountability. Specifically, they raised the central issues of motive, means and cui bono (who profited?). But the Commission ignored the majority of these questions, opting only to explore system failures, miscommunications and incompetence. The victim families' most incisive issues remain unaddressed to this day. The Zogby International poll was also cosponsored by Walden Three (walden3.org) and 9/11 Citizens Watch (911citizenswatch.org), a watchdog group which has monitored the Commission since its inception and will release its findings, "The 9/11 Omission Report," in several weeks.

On September 9th and 11th, 911Truth.org will cosponsor two large successive inquiries in New York, a preliminary 9/11 Citizens Commission hearing and "Confronting the Evidence: 9/11 and the Search for Truth," a research-focused evidentiary forum. These inquiries will examine many of the 9/11 Commission-shunned questions and discuss preparation of a probable cause complaint demanding a grand jury and criminal investigation from the New York Attorney General. Possible charges range from criminal negligence and gross dereliction of duty to foreknowledge, complicity and subsequent obstruction of justice. For details and developments, see www.911truth.org. For press info, contact Kyle Hence 212-243-7787 kylehence@earthlink.net

Zogby International conducted interviews of 808 adults chosen at random in New York State. All calls were made from Zogby International headquarters in Utica, N.Y., from 8/24/04 through 8/26/04. The margin of error is +/- 3.5 percentage points. Slight weights were added to region, party, age, race, religion, and gender to more accurately reflect the population. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

(8/30/2004)

 

It's refuteable that NORAD stood down, and that all other defense systems failed systematically?


Please explain how you know this?
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I swear Ive wasted about 40 minutes of my life combing,,, no,, shoveling through these links and the MASSIVE amount of words, assertions, suppositions and allegations (followed each by beard stroking, eye-brow raising 'Hmmmm?'s)

So far - absolutely NO reason to believe that NORAD 'Stood Down' or that 'All other defense systems failed (if at all) and did so 'Systematically'.

Nothing.

Just many people 'Supposing they did' or claiming it 'Did'.

I guess i will keep shoveling the info from those link barns...

 

if there weren't irregularities in the us defense system, then it must be a horrible design if jets can smash into the biggest buildings in our biggest city 45 minutes apart, not to mention the pentagon....

I would think the government would blame it on the defense systems being down rather than they just plain suck ass.

 

Well, if you can't draw conclusions of your own when presented with the evidence, perhaps you're a bigger moron than I had previously thought.

But please, by all means, believe what you will. Some people aren't even worth enlightening.

George Bush and the government are your heroes, so you should just continue to worship them. And whatever you do, never ask questions.

 

Pressed Rat...

Nice 'Goading' lol.. (sp?)

Please state what you believe happened.
Not in question form please.

Simply tell us what you DO think happened.

(again what DID happen.. not 'why didnt blank happen?.. why is the blank like this?'

Theres the challenge eh?

 

so easy to criticize, isn't it?

i admit i don't have a clue, but some of the goings on are certainly suspect.

I watched a video clip of Bush saying that when he was at the school when it happened, " When I saw that plane hit the tower, I wondered, where did that guy learn to fly?"

only problem is, he couldnt have seen it, the footage wasn't yet available.

 

Haha Brocktoon, what's the problem too many big words for you on those sites??

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

Dude, I am God.

 

Not enough.

Too many insubstantial words trying to rally credibility by their overwhelming presence.

[This appeals to half-wits like yourself, who are easily impressed by 'Lots of Shiny looking objects'.]

 

Brackton I keep coming back to read your posts but I still havent read anything that really supports your opinions just as you say you don't see anything that supports the others opinions as true. Why don't you tell us how much YOU know since you seem to think you know so much.

 

Nobody wants to post an alternative theory because they all sound so monumentally stupid that any sane person would be embarrassed to stand behind them. The people who have no hesitation to question a cloud of smoke if an internet expert tells them it is the wrong shape wouldn't bat an eyelid if told that airplanes disappeared from thin air, because its not from "the media".

Doubts are infinite - you can doubt the standard explanation, and every person behind it, and every piece of evidence supporting it, forever. In fact the more you doubt, the "smarter" you are because you're so sceptical!

Does anyone doubt that if the 1991 bombing had brought the towers down the web would be full of structural engineers explaining how that could only have been possible if the buildings had been pre-wired with explosives? That if nobody videotaped the planes hit the towers that conspiracy theorists would be telling us about remote controlled mossad piloted missile flying drones designed to look like airplanes had hit the WTC because the holes were to small or the wrong shape or the wings of the planes hadn't broken off and hit the ground as plenty of self described aeronautical physicists would be telling us they absolutely postively would have had to?

 

I have no idea what Pointbreak is talking about, but to go back to the beginning of the thread...

I think a lot of this stems from the way Bush is using religion to determine our support. A lot of people believe that the seperation of church and state is being enforced now more than ever, but I have to disagree. I believe that the church as we know it, and the state, as it has endured, have both lived off of each other from time to time. The church came about at an opportune time in the life of Rome because instead of having these barbaric Pagan beliefs, the Christians loved Jesus, a peaceful and submissive man who came from a tradition that supported the government even if it was doing things that the people knew were wrong. Sure, the idea of having Judges instead of Kings was around, and the early Israelites supported a seperation of church and state, but how long did that really last?

It's been believed for quite some time, before Dan Brown ever wrote the Da Vinci Code, that Constantine deliberately collected the Bible and had his people re-write it in order to take advantage of Christian philosophy. The whole notion of a shepard and sheep... how perfect if you want to instill loyalty and peace among your populus. Rome then used Christ as the reason to dominate the rest of Pagan Europe and peripherialize them under the new Church that lead the people to submit to Roman authority and to the son of God. How interesting it seems that the Romans killed so many Pagans, and yet they converted all of the survivors... therefore leaving nothing other than Christians in their wake. Rome told the Pagans that they were not allowed to live under their old belief system, and in exchange for money and "civilization," the Pagans were to adopt the new, better way of life offered to them by the Romans.

This parallels the western expansion and how the governments of each country dealt with the Native Americans....Let's send over some sheep with guns and Bibles and see if we can find some new members of the flock... if they don't join, we'll kill them because Jesus says it's okay... All who believe shall live, and all who don't shall be judged. Notice how the church's emphasis on certain scriptural passages tend to change during times of struggle in the state. It seems as though the state has used Christianity mainly, but also religion as a whole, to gain support from the people of the particular nation.

Bush said it himself: This is a Crusade against terrorism...

Now then, is Bush a Christian? Who fucking knows... perhaps, but let's not be stupid. I seriously doubt someone with as much power as he has really sits there and thinks about God all that much, rather, I think he thinks about himself and his own interests much more. Bush was in the same secret society that many of our Presidents have been in from time to time, the Skulls. The Skulls, as it is rumored, is a part of the Illuminati-the enlightened ones. This is a theory, and I'm not claiming it to be true, but this is something I don't find all that difficult to believe: What if Bush is not Christian at all, rather he is an old Pagan who clings to the old beliefs that make themselves manifest extremely often in society today? What if Bush is holding a Christian front in order to control the people and gain their support for his endeavors? What if Bush is indeed much smarter than we give him credit for, and is in fact living two lives: Bush the Pagan ruler in power of all of these ignorant sheep, and then Bush the Christian who the ignorant sheep have chosen as their shepard in a time of need? A Christian wouldn't release wolves on his own flock in order to gain greener pastures... Bush would though... especially if the Skulls, as they are rumored to, instill ancient philosophies and political methods in order to give it's brothers a leg up in society... in fact, not just a leg up, but supreme domination. Perhaps they seem to lay low from time to time, but it's all in the plan in one way or another. Don't be surprised if our first African American President has ties to the Skulls or people who might have ties to the Skulls. That is, if we ever make it through Bush in the first place...

Why would this work in a world where we should know better than to allow people like that to run for, much less to hold office? Because people will dismiss this theory as another conspiracy theory and people will use religion and humor to discredit such a proposterous notion. People have been trained to be extremely synical by the media and popular culture, but all it has really lead to is the current situation that I'm pretty sure most of us aren't happy with. Besides... if these pagan ideas are floating around and being exercised in politics today, that would make them well over 2,000 years old, thus giving them time to be honed down to not only a science, but an art. It's as if there is a clear distinction between the Bible Bush upholds, and the policies he practices. Are Bush's policies distinctly pagan? Not at all... but are they being used for purposes to make him happy? Hell yeah! Could they easily be interpretted as Satanic and Self-Serving.... Hedonistic perhaps? Hell yeah! Could Bush be manipulating the people based on his own interests and the interests of the people who financially support him? Hell yeah....

Why work for justice when injustice is working for you? Think about that and think hard... Bush has a position where he doesn't have to think... he just has to react the right way, and he's pretty shitty at that.

 

I'm not sure if Pointbreak is full of healthy skepticism, and the only difference is that he is skeptical about the skeptics.

and lostdog, please don't call the illuminati 'enlightened'. That's an offensive statement, to consider such power hungry people to have anything near whatever 'enlightment' is, unless you want to call pure materialist/pagan/hedonist/greedy bastards 'enlightened'.

 

Wrong Answer APples..

Here we have an alternate assertion making claims for a conspiracy.

Its not even a question of 'burden of proof' because we havent even heard the alternate explanation yet.

We need these guys to actually state what they think happened first.
Then we can start.

Right now all we have is a lot of questions like "IF the gov SUPPOSEDLY knew this and that.. then WHY is this other thing like THIS?"

 

So until someone else discovers the the truth behind all the fishy goings on you are just going to blindly accept what you are told?

 

No.
This is not my option.

Im certain there are many things we can never know about 9/11 and somethings we cant be told.

Otherwise, I use common-sense to analyse the reports and rely on sound judgement.