Ex FBI/CIA Agents Ready To Blow the cover on Bush 9/11 Story...

I know quite well that is what you were trying to do, my point is that you failed. I don't know enough about chemtrails to comment on, they may or may not exist. I don't think aliens have visited Earth or that people have been abducted...there may be other life in the universe seeing how immense it is, but who knows? My point is that I don't think the 9/11 scam can be compared in ANY way to the other improbable and far-fetched theories you used for examples. 9/11 was just a crime of a large scale. Humans are greedy bastards that commit crimes, why is that so hard for you to swallow?

I never said that, I can see why people woudn't want to believe it was a scam. They aren't crazy. Highly conditioned and gullible perhaps. But really, it is very suspicious, even if you know nothing about 9/11, so I don't understand why people wouldn't want to look into it further.

 

Ruppert on Ruppert. Well that's a reliable source.

First of all, he is a conspiracy nut. That's all he does, like it or not. In fact his own life story (his version) is full of conspiracies. Why did he break up with his girlfried? Conspiracy! Why did he lose his job? Conspiracy! See a trend in there somewhere?

Now why would anyone mention his name? Because he hit the radar screen. The right likes to make people think that the democrats and the left in general are a bunch of loony conspiracy nuts who, when faced with the reality of islamic terrorists who go on the record as wanting to kill us, instead choose to believe in Ruppert type theories with disappearing airplanes and so on. The left, like the Nation, want to assemble a rational opposition to Bush and hates being associated with lunatic conspiracy theories which only distract and discredit them.

 

Well, you're basing this on two articles that have derived most of their information from internet rumors. If you are going to let two biased publications dictate to you who a person is and what they're about, it really shows what a mallethead you truly are and how shallow you dig for your information. Well, really, it only confirms what I have always believed about you -- you have a truly limited capacity to think outside the box.

Members of Congress (from BOTH houses) subscribe to Ruppert's newsletter. Are they conspiracy nuts?

Is former Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development under Bush Sr.'s regime, Catherine Austin Fitts -- who wrote the foreward to Ruppert's book -- a conspiracy nut?

Just look at some of the people Ruppert has worked with. If you think they are conspiracy nuts, well, perhaps you're just not all that bright.

If Ruppert was a "conspiracy theorist," I wouldn't follow his work. There is a huge difference between Ruppert and conspiracy nuts like Texe Marrs and Lyndon LaRouche, neither of whom I take very seriously.

Also, I notice it's funny that neither of those articles you provided before even make an attempt to argue any of Ruppert's claims. They simply launch into a full-on character assault on Ruppert.

 

Pointbreak, let's get your honest opinion. Do you actually believe in this pathetic society enough to go fight for it (and possibly die for it)? As for my opinion, this country is worth shit, and only fools would sacrifice themselves for Amerika.

 

Why bother hanging this shingle of credibility on the theories.. Its time to reveal the REAL Truth behind the alleged Truth Revelations .. and see what you REALLY Dont know about what you THOUGHT you knew...

David Icke and the Reptilians (The REAL conspiracy that RUNS the conspiracy!)

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/worldtradecenter.html

Enjoy!

 

Yes I would. Not unconditionally, not without question, but yes.

Some members of this forum would call the people who fought Adolf Hitler fools sacrificing themselves for a shit country. There will always be cynics who will sit on the sidelines in the face of tyranny because America isn't utopian, but I won't be one of them.

 

In my humble opinion, America is a piece of shit. I would never in a thousand years think of sacrificing my life to 'protect' our country. Joining the army is about the stupidest decision anyone can make.

 

Brocktoon, I have yet to see you offer any real debate to this topic. Pressed Rat has been doing an amazing job at presenting the gray areas surrounding this incident, and you either tend to ignore or answer with a random question of your own. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, but know that you are definitly right. That really is not the way to go into a debate. Maybe we should break the training wheels back out and start you back out in a thread that dosnt require any knowledge of what the person is talking about.

You claim that the government wouldnt do such a thing against it's own people. I'm going to name something for you. Operation Northwoods. Look it up. This shit is in your own .gov archives, so don't feed me the "it's a conspiracy" crap. Not killing people, but portraying to the world "the Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere" through things like sabatoge and "capturing" Cubans in uniform doing it.
Please take note that this was formulated back in the early 60s. Imagine what things they can do this many years later. Oh, did I forget to mention...one of the tactics was to fake shooting down an Air Force plane by Cuban MiGs in an "unprovoked attack", then having a US submarine scatter destroyed plane parts to make it appear that the plane really was shot down. Yes, this is your own "blessed" country plotting these things. Of course it never went through, but what does that mean? Nothing. It dosnt stop the fact that these plans were made, that your own officials had plotted this.

BUT, back to current times. The day? September 11th. 4 airliners hijacked. 3 make their designated targets, destroying the World Trade Center and damaging the Pentagon. The Pentagon, located right in Washington D.C. Please explain to me how an airliner crashes into D.C., the capital of America, without any air resistance. Without any resistance period. No jets, no missiles, nothing. There should have been jets surrounding that plane the minute it went off course. That airliner should have been nothing but a pile of rubble on the side of the road the second it became a threat to the Pentagon. But it made it. Unlikely? Highly. But it happened. Something was plainly amiss. NOT TO MENTION the FACT that it happened AFTER the airliner hit the WTC! They should've been ready for anything. Then ANOTHER plane hits the WTC. No. Something was terribly wrong. JUST THINK PEOPLE. Think about what is being said. Don't look at it like I'm the bad guy that's hallucinating and pulling things out my ass. No. Use f-ing common sense. Those airliners would've been toast. When an airplane becomes a threat to more than itself, the plane and all aboard must be sacraficed. Otherwise we have what happened on 9/11. Plain and simple English. Think - rather one die than one thousand.

Wake the hell up. You think that "thinking outside the box" is insanity. I call it finding the truth. You think inside your box of lies. The rest of us will simply laugh at your ignorance.

 

We all know Northwoods - it is the plan that proves every conspiracy theory since 1960 is true.

Nothing? Well if you say so.

Good thing THE GOVERNMENT (cue scary music) released all those Northwoods documents for the whole world to see! What a lucky break for Ruppert and the other forces of good, graduates of our nations finest psychiatric facilities! Yep, the GOVERNMENT can't keep Northwoods documents secret, plant WMDs in Iraq, or keep Abu Gharib photos out of the press, but a conspiracy to fly remote controlled missile firing robot drones into multiple locations pre-wired with explosives while simultaneously making boeing jets and their passengers disappear out of thin air and making sure to coordinate the conspiracy with the FBI, the CIA, Mossad, the NSA, NORAD, air traffic control, the airlines, the FAA, the press, the military, the national guard, the 9/11 victim's families, local police and fire departments, hundreds of witnesses, etcetera fucking etcetera, NO PROBLEM! That's just out of the box common sense.

 

this is a very humourous conversation to watch. I admire both of you, Pointbreak and Pressed Rat.

 

MagicMedicine:

The reason I dont have 'Counter-grey areas' and cant 'disprove' Pressed Rat & Co's theories is simply because they are not 'Evidence' or even 'Theories'.
They are mainly just open-ended questions, which, if one assumes the worst, might have happened IF other open-ended 'grey' areas also 'might have happened'

Take your 'Question' about no missiles/lazers or rockets taking out a 747 flying into Washington DC.

Simple asking "Hmmm Why were no missiles used to shoot down a 747??"

Adding 'Not ONE!'

Well here is the obvious answer: You have believed that somehow, the USA possesses high-tech weaponry capably of instant (within 20 minutes) deployement, which can shoot a 747 out of the sky (and somehow keep if from destroying 10 times more people on the ground).

You dont have knowledge of such weaponry.
You just assumed it existed and that personel exist which can do this.

The truth is, despite awesome James Bond 007 movies and Military 'Hype' - there are no such weapons.
Certainly not ones sitting around the Pentagon ready to deploy in under 20 minutes.

So your 'Question' is based on some assumption.
Then again.. all you do is 'Ask a question'.
Then add a 'HMMMM?"

So ya. you 'Got me' when you say I dont have any 'Evidence'.
How could I?

Your not even stating what happened.

Heres my advice/challenge:

INSTEAD of saying 'Hmmm WHY wasnt something like something after/before a something???"

TRY - STATING that (IYO) Soldiers at the Pentagon HAD the ability to shoot down the plane and DID NOT.

Then provide some evidence or reason to support your statement.

Why all this 'Grey area questioning' - JUST SAY IT!

 

Who said that? All Northwoods proves is that the government wouldn't think twice about harming their own people to blame on another country to use a a pretext for war. I am not linking it to 9/11, though 9/11 served the same purpose Northwoods would have if it was carried out. It simply shows the corrupt way in which the government opperates. I never once said that it proves every conspiracy theory since 1962 true, so stop putting words in my mouth.

The Bush Administration couldn't care less about WMD's in Iraq. They got the war they wanted, so what difference does it make to them now? They went into Iraq knowing they wouldn't find WMD's, and they didn't, and many idiot Americans are still in support of the failed, inhumane, unjustified war for imperial conquest.

I never even said I have a definitive explanation of what happened on 9/11. Nobody does. All you can do is take the numerous unanswered questions and conflicting reports, and come with your own conclusion based on the facts. I provided more than enough facts in the previous threads, which you failed to touch upon. When you have enough facts, you can begin to piece the puzzle together. When I place the government's "official" story up against the puzzle of unanswered questions and conflicting reports, I don't buy the "official" story for a single second.

Whether remote controlled drones flew into the buildings is beyond me. I never said that is what I believe to be the case, but being open-minded, there is nothing I haven't at least considered.

Finally, as I stated previously, the attacks didn't have to involve an incredibly large amount of people. For a covert operation, all you need are the right people, stationed in the right places at the right time.

 

No, dumbass. There are plenty of independent sources. I've only rejected the spectrum of media you're familiar with, which is either ultra-neocon or ultra-neolib. Just because you see the world in only black and white, doesn't mean everybody does.

And please, what "conspiracy websites" are you referring to? List them.

Well, certainly not the neocon-fronted Weekly Standard. In case you don't know, warmongering, PNAC war-pig William Kristol is the editor of this blatent propaganda rag. I wouldn't trust this garbage anymore than I would trust the drivel that comes from the mouth of our dumbass puppet of a president.

There are a lot of good people in Congress (both Dems and Reps) who truly want what's best for America. Just because I speak against the government, doesn't mean I hate everyone within the government. Most of the people in our government have little say about what goes on in this country.

If any of that was true -- with the exception of him seeking psychiatric care for a brief period in the late 70's for a nervous breakdown, following his dismissal from the LAPD -- then I might have a retort.

If you can site the interview or source in which Ruppert praises Lyndon LaRouche, other than for the WS article you provided, I will answer your question.

Well, this all comes from articles which offer nothing more than an attack on Ruppert's character, and not his work. As far as I am concerned, this is all hearsay, or else just grossly exaggerated rhetoric intended to viciously demean Ruppert and take away his credibility. If the neocon criminals at the Weekly Standard found Ruppert to be that much of a joke, they would have never written the article about him. The fact is, Ruppert poses a threat to the neocons' CRIMINAL agenda.

 

MagicMedicine,

Why not just read my post and get the point.

Its not confusing - I correctly state that simply 'Asking Unanswerable Questions' is NOT the same thing as providing evidence.

When you cant understand something as simple as that - you become the Jackass.

Honestly folks.. this would be a lot easier if you CLEARLY STATE you believe George Bush knowingly allowed 3000 People to be killed -
Then state WHY you know this.

Asking 'Well.. if he didnt.. and someone else 'might have' and another guy says 'maybe' then WHY? Hmmmm?'

 

Brocktoon sounds pretty reasonable. We should all definitely base our opinions on facts, and not hearsay.

 

Hearsay and overwhelming evidence (including photographic evidence and insider testimonial) are two different things, though.

Some things are just obvious.

If an escaped convict alters their appearance, it's not because of reasons of style.

If people can't piece evidence together to form a hypothesis, I believe it's because they don't want to believe what they don't want to believe.

I don't see how any reasonable person that has looked at all the evidence and lingering questions wouldn't AT LEAST have some troubling questions of their own.

You don't always need an "official" explanation to know, or at least have an idea of what's going on. Nobody ever came out and said who really killed Kennedy, but anyone with a normal functioning brain, that is somewhat well-read and knows their history, knows that it certainly wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald.

To me, the evidence is just so overwhelming that there isn't a doubt in my mind that the US government murdered 3,000+ people that day. I am absolutely convinced, and there is nothing that will change my mind. And blowhards like Brocktoon and Pointbreak certainly won't change my mind with their inability to argue the issues I had presented before. They won't argue the issues because they know I am right. Unfortunately, their love for George Bush and the neocons is too strong. Their love for blind patriotism is too strong. They can't admit to what they would rather deny. They are good Americans, like the good Germans were in the 1930's.

Plus, there are just so many credible people involved in the 9/11 truth movement, including 9/11 families, NYC firefighters, members of Congress, etc..

If I thought that 9/11 was nothing more than some nutty conspiracy, and if the evidence wasn't as strong as it is, I likely would believe that George Bush is a good Christian and that everyone within the upper echelons our government cares about nothing more than its citizens.

I am sure people like Cheney and Rumsfeld lose sleep at night worrying about how they can make the world a better place for the American people.

 

Nah I'm agreeing with you Rat. I've put together the pieces of the puzzle myself to see what so many are afraid of seeing (which is funny, since it all depends on them giving up their own power to fear and initmidation). I was just making an off-hand comment, that Brocktoon's last post actually sounded somewhat logical. But then again, you're coming at these guys with more evidence than they come back at you with, so I think it's clear who has a better understanding of things.

Damn, it almost feels like hearsay just to speak these things.

 

Right, so the fact that the plan was rejected proves they wouldn't think twice. That makes no sense.

Here's something else that makes so sense. Two quotes from you.

So you don't even have a theory for what really happened, but you are quite confident that whatever it was it only took a small number of people. That's really convincing, no wonder you keep patting yourself on the back for all that research you've done.

Its funny how you keep referring to the Weekly Standard over and over again. Not as much fun to try to paint The Nation as part of the conspiracy is it? Easier to just pretend it didn't happen. How about zmag? (http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/julaug02shalom.html) These notorious neocons!

OK, so if I use middle of the road sources like the BBC or CNN or Slate, which all subscribe to the "conventional" explanation for 9/11, you won't reject them? Wow I really can't wait to find out, the suspense is killing me.

Why don't you stop wasting your time with all this foolishness and concentrate on a real conspiracy, one that actually has been researched properly?

WHO KILLED BUDDY? http://www.slate.com/id/2060576

 

SO, the United States does not have any capability to shoot down a moving plane? Silly me, where did I get that from? I really should stop watching those Sci-Fi movies with those silly "missiles".

http://missile.index.ne.jp/cgi/misearch.cgi

woah, reality check, dumbass.

I never said anything about "lasers" or "secret" weaponry. A simple ground based mobile missile launcher. They've had anti-aircraft missiles since at least the 50's. MIM-3, deployed in 1953, speed capability of Mach 2.25. And it's not like it was only 20 minutes. There was officially 51 minutes and 6 seconds between the North Tower crash and the Pentagon crash. And then the crash into the South Tower at 9:03:11 AM. That still gives them a little more than half an hour to figure out that the NEXT hijacked plane isnt going to see tomorrow. Either something was up or everyone in command is just foolish. Take your choice. That's not even mentioning that there has never been a multiple hijacking like this in 30 years, and never in American airspace.

And of course, a field destroyed or even a block is MUCH worse than 3K. That was sarcasm.

Suck on it.


And about NORTHWOODS. They didnt release that until recently. Stop using your lame reasoning to try and deny that your precious government was actually involved in something like that. Of course the general mass will not care about it and simply brush it off because it was so many years ago. They had no idea it was in the works, and they really don't care now. Or they're like you.